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this is why you can't win wars on ideologies
6 years ago  ::  Apr 02, 2007 - 7:18PM #1
chanter
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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/02/world/middleeast/02qaeda.html?_r=1&ref=world&oref=slogin


6 years ago  ::  Apr 02, 2007 - 7:30PM #2
Gehrig2Jeter
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Fact,It is a conflict between two idealogies Democracy,political, governmental idealogy versus Radical, facist, theological idealogy. Using a left leaning liberal idealogy to cite as a source and writing one sentence is a pretty weak and lazy way to espouse your belief. Have the sincere, courage to write how you feel instead of hyjacking an article to get a view point across.

6 years ago  ::  Apr 03, 2007 - 12:52AM #3
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Let me change my stance, we can't win war against terrorism by promoting our own terrorism, killing of innocent civilans, torture, destruction etc. Here's how the Amerian mind works Osama Bin Laden = terrorist leader, if we take out Bin Laden somehow terrorism will go away. The problem is they have leaders ready for the day we get Osama or we get Zawahiri, and the network will continue to exist until we address the real problem that causes terrorism.

Have you ever taken the time to find out the profile of a suicide bomber? Here you go 17-27 religious uneducated unmarried man living in poverty. It's cause and effect if you ask me. Look at how our military system is set up, they don't target the middle-class or upper class kids because quite frankly those kids don't need the financial assistance joining the military provides. There are some exceptions in the military but I'd stand by that it is set up to get the poorer kids to join. Terrorism is the exact same thing, you have the elites on top like OBL and the poor ones who are supposed to fight for him.

If you want to stop this ideology, you go after the real causes; poverty, lack of real education, hypocrisy of our government in the middle east that angers them, etc. Muslims don't hate democracy, they hate democratic governments who don't stand by the values they were founded on and suffer because of it. That in and of itself is why terrorism exists, not some innate hate for the west. And until we are willing to change our position in the world from "it's our way or the highway" to a more open and peaceful attitude, we will never win this war on terrorism. Who would have thought trying to improve other countries was such a bad thing?
6 years ago  ::  Apr 03, 2007 - 4:46AM #4
MyYESNetwork
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GrassHopper, we will never end extremism. It is like trying to end an existential state of being. It does not go away. Profile a suicide bomber, you are profiling the average male criminal in the United States minus the bomb laden jacket, but at least those dang Muslims believe in something.


6 years ago  ::  Apr 05, 2007 - 7:33AM #5
Gehrig2Jeter
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I theoretically kick your butt and now you move the target. You liberals lose the theoretical debate and then do that poop.



However, it is true that poverty and a lack of education is what causes lawlessness, loss of civility, and anger. Where the hades is the U.N. ? That body should be able to advocate and promote humanitarian devotion . Where the hades is the organized religons that espouse peace love and care for all fellow man. Where the hades is the Catholic Church , the nondenominational Churches and the leaders of the Muslim and Hebrew faith's ?


These faith's lack the legitimacy when they all close their eyes to the anger and poverty combined in the muslim communities in the middle east.

6 years ago  ::  Apr 05, 2007 - 7:49PM #6
Benjamminwithyou
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There are many things the UN does that it doesn't get credit for. UNDP is a great program and without it many people in the world would go without food and water and shelter. It is probably the best at promoting humanitarian assistance where it is wanted because of the amount of funding and organization it has. So when it can do its job, it excels. The problem lies in times of conflict. If there are competing sides that don't want the UN to do something then nothing gets done. NGO's do good work as well and are often the first on the ground in areas where there is substantial risk. I know that historically the Catholic Church has been slow to deal with socio-economic issues in countries where it is most needed, however I know of many catholic organizations that do great work in developing nations. The problem the Catholic church has is again in conflict areas. It cannot be seen supporting certain politics in a country. Thus if it advocates for a certain oppressed group of people, they become targets of the oppressors as well. This is what happened to Archbishop Romero in 1980 when he advocated for the rights of Salvadoran peasants and was gun downed by paramilitaries sponsored by the government.
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