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Demon - I said from the start I was not looking for an argument.

My post had nothing to do with the technicalities of cooking - it had to do with lingo.

I think you have me and JC mixed up - I replied to a sentence he wrote - and he was the one complaining about it - he accused me of ignoring his entire post and only responding to a single line. I was only interested in one line - but to make him happy I copied his entire post followed my the same exact reply I had typed originally - he plays that game when he needs time to think - it's a stall tactic he employs to buy some time on Wikipedia.

Then he made the opposite case with someone else - I think maybe you - so I jumped on it. You see - JC wants the luxury of responding to only a single line of my post, or your post - but if we reply to him he demands we cite his entire argument. He can't have it both ways.

I understand what you are saying. I told you I understand. How many ways can I say I understand your point?

Maybe we are talking about two different things - I am talking about dialect and you keep bringing up technical stuff - meat doesn't make a gravy, roux - I understand this - but it was never my point.

Some Italians call their grandfather papa, and some call him nonno. I don't know why - I can only guess. My guess is that it is regional. Jimmy's grandparents call sauce "gravy", and my grandparents called sauce "sauce". If Jimmy's grandmother and my grandmother got together and made this "sauce gravy" one afternoon - we would have two different people calling the same exact concoction two different things.

Neither is correct, and neither is incorrect. It is what it is - they may not be correct by the kitchen rulebook technically speaking - but that is irrelevant.

Nobody is right, and nobody is wrong. I was just curious with regard to the difference in dialect.

You ever beat your head against a wall?

Au Jus, woud be a sauce, unless a roux was added to it,

The people that are arguing with me, about the clarity of language, must be smoking weed, because i am completely baffled as to why there is any confusion over this subject, My posts adress the difference between a sauce and a gravy, and the the logical reasons a person might call a sauce a gravy.

To be honest. I do not care, if it contains a roux, I will call it a gravy, if not I will call it a sauce. HOW FREAKING HARD IS THAT TO COMPREHEND????

A regional style of cooking in new Orleans, began with adding a brown roux to tomato sauce, it became a part of italian (american) cooking, and is the reason sauce BECAME gravy, IN that context it is a gravy.

The distinction, would be meaningless anywhere else including the USA, because by definition the terms, sauce and gravy can be used almost interchangeably. And you know what, I do not care. Read my initial post, I said Italians call sauce gravy when it is made Like a gravy.

WHY should anyone read their response and say, wow, I replied to you by saying you were wrong, but I DID SO BY USING YOUR OWN TEXT.

So Glenn, my only response is, why do you take things so seriously?

I don't smoke weed, and I told you three times I wasn't looking for an argument. I also told you several times I understand your point. I am not sure what confusion you are referring to - but there is , and never was any confusion on my end. I can't be any more clear than that - I have no idea why you think otherwise.

Well, here's the thing:

Everything was going fine 'till I asked my italian sister-in-law to pass the sauce. She said "did you mean gravy," and I said no, I don't see any gravy, may I have some sauce and she said it's gravy and I became enraged and put up YES and copied Demon's post about a roux and showed it to her and she became upset and copied Heat's post about regional terminologies and everyone took a side and then I had some salad thrown into my face so I threw some spaghetti back and was hit with some garlic bread and the two sides of the table opened up with cries of "GRAVY" and "SAUCE" and "DEMON" and "HEAT" and within a half-minute or so the table was bare and the food was on the floor.

I'm still hungry.