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DONE DEAL: Texiera a Brave
14 years ago  ::  Jul 30, 2007 - 7:03PM #81
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i hope so. God's willing! wink
14 years ago  ::  Jul 30, 2007 - 7:52PM #82
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Saltamacchia and Andrus and the minor league pitcher were the three best prospects in their organization! That's not nothing. Go to espn.com if you need verification. Teixiera was way too expensive for what the Yankees wanted, seeing as Cashman finally opened his eyes and started building for the future(however, he still deserves to be fired). Provided Teixiera has a good 2008, He'll likely be in a Yankee uniform come 2009.
14 years ago  ::  Jul 30, 2007 - 7:55PM #83
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Look, the Yankees are making a run with what they have, and if they don't make it they don't. You guys don't realize that Cashman, although he does deserve to be fired, is doing the right thing. Why on earth should he give up Chamberlain or Kennedy up for a 1B/DH with 13 Hrs and 49 RBI's? And Gagne doesn't want to go anywhere unless he's the closer.
14 years ago  ::  Jul 30, 2007 - 8:01PM #84
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Big Splashes for what?! More huge contracts and players that get content with their money! Cashman is doing the right thing! Moose is old, so is Pettitte and Clemens. They'll be gone soon. We need guys like Chamberlain, Hughes, and Kennedy. If not, we'll end up giving an overpaid contract to a veteran pitcher who'll get old. Let's go back and think how those "big splashes helped us; Kevin Brown, Jaret Wright, Igawa, Abreu... and alot more I can' think of right now. These big splashes decimate our farm system and leave us without youth!
14 years ago  ::  Jul 30, 2007 - 8:02PM #85
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We don't know what Texas was offering. Maybe Texeira will become a Free Agent, and the Yanks might land him next year.


14 years ago  ::  Jul 30, 2007 - 8:03PM #86
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If the deal involved Hughes, I am glad we didn't make the move. Texeira might decide to test the FA water. He is a power bat and he might get more mony in the open market than the Braves might offer.
14 years ago  ::  Jul 30, 2007 - 8:04PM #87
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So now it's who has the most Homers?? Last time I checked, the Devil Rays were safe and sound in last place....
14 years ago  ::  Jul 30, 2007 - 8:07PM #88
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Yea, they'll take our garbage for their best hitter. You, my friend, are an idiot.
14 years ago  ::  Jul 30, 2007 - 8:09PM #89
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Most of the points I wanted to make have been make by others, and by myself in my little rallying post from this morning. A few items.


1) ldantoni does tend a bit to the dramatic, and I firmly disagree with her about Cashman in regards to what's good for the team in the long term, but she did in fact complain loudly all through the winter aned early spring that the Yanks were in trouble, that it was wrong to rely on Pavano and Igawa for the #4 and #5 slots in the rotation, that the bench was awful, and the bullpen was questionable. She also thought the Sheffield and Johnson trades were awful because they brought back no immediate help. In my opinion, over the long run, while stands a good chance of being wrong about the last one, but she was right about the others, so those complaints are NOT hindsight.


2) People seem to have no end of trouble understanding one fundamental concept about trading players. The prospects we want the Yankees to keep are the prospects other teams want them to trade. A trade is a MUTUAL agreement. Other teams have something the Yankees want. They ask for something the Yankees have in exchange. If the Yankees say no, THEN THE OTHER TEAM DOESN'T HAVE TO TRADE WHAT THE YANKS WANT TO THE YANKEES. Instead they'll take a similar package from another team, if one is available. I said this a month ago, I said this multiple times in the last week:


Teixiera would be great for the Yanks.


The Rangers want Hughes or Chamberlain, plus Melky (or Tabata), plus another good pitching prospect.


The Yanks will not deal Hughes or Chamberlain.


Ergo, No Texiera.


That's the way it works folks. It's not a matter of hijacking Teixiera at gunpoint. It's not a matter getting the Texas GM drunk. It's not a matter of convincing the Texas GM to take Clippard, Farnsworth, Kevin Thompson, and Jeff Marquez. The Rangers KNOW the true value of those guys, and they ain't worth a Teixiera. I know I make a habit of saying this, but, at this point, anyone who think the Yanks' not acquiring Teixiera is Cashman's fault is an ignoramus. Last year, the market for Abreu was a buyer's market; only the Yanks were really after him, because of his contract. That's called a BUYER'S market, which Cashman executed to perfection, trading four lesser prospects for Abreu and Lidle. This year, there was only one top-flight hitter on the market, and several teams that desired him. That creates a SELLER'S market, in which the team that buys will pay dearly, and the Braves have paid dearly. It was a stiff price, but they were dealing from surplus for the most part.


3) In analyzing the proposed trade between the two teams, Texas got A LOT for Teixiera.


Elvis Andrus has been on the top prospects lists for two years now. He has a world of potential, though, for the most part, he has yet to translate that potential into actual performance. However, he turns 19 in August, and is already a decent regular as Class High-A in the Carolina League, holding down a regular job against players averaging 2-3 years older than he is.


Matt Harrison is also on the top prospects lists this season, #90 on the Baseball America Top 100 before the season started. The Braves are looking for a "dominating" type starter, so why are able to part with Harrison? Because he's a Glavine-type finesse and command type lefty. He's already in AA, and pitching OK; not great, but OK, and is passing the critical "Finesse pitcher at AA" test at age 21 (he'll be 22 next month).


Jarod Saltamacchia is one of the single most valuable properties in baseball. He is a switch-hitting catcher who can hit from both sides, has proven himself at the AA level, and is in the majors and holding his own, hitting .280 with moderate power while being thrown into a new position most of the time, and he is doing this at age 22. His defense is supposed to be good, and he's supposed to have a good arm behind the plate. Imagine a 22-year-old Jorge Posada with better natural instincts and footwork behind the plate. That's Salty's potential. I've said, and I meant it, that if the Braves would do it, I'd trade Kennedy for Salty right now, and I'd have to seriously consider trading Chamberlain for him.


And the Rangers are supposed to have gotten another pitcher to be named later, possibly because the Braves drafted him this season, and you can't trade guys you just drafted.


These guys are ALL talented, but they are all SURPLUS for the Braves. They can part with Saltalamacchia because they already have a brilliant young catcher in Brian McCann. They can part with Andrus because they already have Edgar Renteria, and Yuniel Escobar has established that he can play in the majors this season, for when Renteria's contract is up. They can part with Harrison because they probably have at 2-5 other finesse starters in their systems just about as promising, or they can just draft another one this year.


That's HOW you make trades like this, you trade from surplus. The Yanks have a number of top prospects now, but they're not surplus. Most of the people on this board, including those of you beeching and moaning about what an idiot Cashman is for not getting Teixiera, AGREE that the Yanks can't afford to deal them.


Well, how in he.ll is Cashman responsible for not getting Teixiera? This is cognitive dissonance on a massive scale. You either pay the market price for a player, or your don't and you shut up about how the Yanks should've gotten him.


And in any case, grow up.

14 years ago  ::  Jul 30, 2007 - 8:12PM #90
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careful there qwik, making sense around here is not popular nowadays....
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