Listen, Joe didn't know how to manage A-Rod because Joe Torre only knows how to manage players who in a way are perfect..... Besides Torre only knows how to handle the Captain and his bat. Because you know the captain is one of his boys.
I agree with everything you say. What bothers me about JT is the hypocrasy. He says all these things about A-rod and other players who are not his boys. But then turns around and says he never heard about steroids in the clubhouse, while cone says, all the players knew which ones were on steroids..
For years I have been a Yankee fan (actually since 1976) and I have supported everyone of our players during the good times and bad times. I don't beleive in bashing player since I'm sure no wants to fail everybody wants to be a winner. atheletes are very competitive and want to win period. they take losing very hard. that goes for Jeter, Arod, Posada, Matsui, Mariano,Damon ect..... so its hard for me to understand the Arod bashing.
That being said, I must also say that I have been a Joe Torre supporter since day one. I have had many arguments with a lot of people including my husband for bashing him. the reason I have always believed in Joe Torre is not so much for his baseball knowledge or stragedies but for his character and integrity. I believed him to be a truthful and honorable man.
That is why I feel so desillusioned and let down by him. I hope when I do read the book my feeling can change but I seriously doubt it. IMO all the conversations he had with his players that trusted him and looked up to him should have been kept private. HE BROKE THE VERY CODE THAT WAS HIS MOTTO.
When I watched the Larry King interview I was futher led down because I thought he would be somewhat apolegetic but his stance was that if he had to rewrite the book he would write in exactly the same way. To me this was not the Joe Torre I thought I knew and loved. I really think he thinks he is above it all. The most distubing thing he said at the end when King asked him he felt bitter with his break with the Yankees, he said no, I felt relieved. What did that mean he felt releive? Relieved that he was no longer the manger of the New York Yankees than why did he want a two year contract?
Everybody goes on and on about Arods 3 poor post seasons and disregard that at no time did any of his teammates pick him up and get the job done. Here are some interesting numbers,
In 9 post season series Derek Jeter batted .250 or below including 4 where he was below .200 the difference is in eight of them the team won the series.
In 8 postseason series Paul O'Neill batted .250 or less with 4 below .200 but in every instance his team went on to win the series.
In 15 post season series Jorge Posada batted below .250 with 7 below .200 but his team won 14 of those series.
Tino Martinez batted .250 or less in 12 postseason series and in 10 of them below .200 but his team won 7 of those series.
Bernie williams batted below .250 iin 14 post season series including 6 below .200 but the Yankees won 11 of them.
Each one of these players had multiple times where they batted below .200 and in more then a few instances .100 But in most cases the rest of the team picked them up and they performed better in the next series or had done better in an earlier round. Arod is and never was the reason the Yankees didnt win and he wont be the reason they do win if and when they do. It takes a TEAM to win not one player.
They had horrible pitching? People like me? I haven't gone to a Yankee game yet, can't afford to. I'm looking to this season though. Good that he's laughing all the way to the bank, as long as he puts up his numbers and has a hall of fame career, he'll laugh at you too.
We are on the same page Ace..the book is about a lot of different things..not just this stuff..but this is the meat ..kind of like one or two hit songs on an otherwise mediocre CD..no one listens to the other songs..same with this book..the excerpts are out there..there is no issue of context. if it was one source and it erroneously quoted from the book..i could understand..but its all over the place and ppl highly involved with the yankees and others have commented on and quoted the text consistently. The issue in my mind isnt even that..its what you pointed out..a lot of this stuff about Randy and Brown and Pavano and even AFraud..we all had some wind of..so to have it confirmed is one thing..but to have it confirmed and the dirty laundry hung out to dry by the very guy who was incharge and a paternal figure is what leaves a bad taste in your mouth. I was in favor of Joe leaving the last couple of yrs..i certainly didnt wish him to be disrespected and even harbored bad feelings towards the yankee brass for doing so..but this book has shattered what respect i have had for this man...he turned out to be a two bit bitter old man. My guess is and you can quote me..he will after awhile turn over some proceeds to his charity..to gain back his image(although he totally avoided that question yesterday on LK live)