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7 years ago  ::  Oct 09, 2011 - 11:15AM #41
laurenfrances
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Sherman has some interesting thoughts.  Wilson as many baseball  executives believe wants to play with the Yankees.  There it  is....Wilson or Darvish, Swisher or/and Beltran.  Picture this  lineup....Jeter, Granderson, Beltran, Cano, A-Rod, Teixeira, Montero, Martin  and Gardner?


In  regards to Sabathia....as suggested, five years at $125 million with a  makeable sixth-year option to get a deal done.  Yankees will not go for 7  years.


Yankees must add lefty starters and make big push for Beltran



Last Updated: 10:07 AM, October 9, 2011


Posted: 12:34 AM, October 9, 2011


Joel Sherman


The Yankees must lean more left-handed in their pitching staff and be more diverse in their lineup.


This   is the starting point for their offseason. That is right after they   take a deep breath to regain their equilibrium following a five-game   Division Series loss to the Tigers. In the days under George   Steinbrenner, the Yankees tended to make decisions with the raw pain of   season-ending frustration still fresh. Heck, when the Yankees last  lost  to Detroit in the first round in 2006, The Boss wanted  then-manager Joe  Torre fired instantly.


The Yankees remain  championship-or-failure  under Hal Steinbrenner. But the son tends to be  more analytical than the  father; less rash. So the Yankees will  proceed in orderly fashion,  which means getting general manager Brian Cashman re-signed (very likely) and then doing the same with CC Sabathia (also likely, but not as certain as Cashman’s return).


And  then the Yankees will continue to go about the impossible  business of  trying to make a team bulletproof from April through  October. It can’t  be done. Even with a $200 million payroll. There is  just too much  unpredictability. What if I had told you the Yankees would  have the  best Division Series ERA of any of the eight teams involved  and not  advance? You would have thought that was impossible. But that is  what  happened.


The main culprit on the pitching staff was the one   starter there was not supposed to be worries about, Sabathia, and the   overall undermining element was an offense that was second in the  majors  in runs scored.


Still, the Yankees will try to assemble a more-perfect product and this is Hardball’s thoughts on how to do that:


BRING BACK CASH


Cashman  is not the same person he was in 1998 when he took the  job. He is  colder, more willing to tell the hard truths about, for  example, aging  players, which has made him unpopular in the clubhouse  and made him  less joyful in the position. I sense, however, he wants to  stay and  ownership wants to keep him.


There is an unrealistic view  of  what percentage of calls a general manager should get right. I think   Boston’s Theo Epstein, for example, is an outstanding general manager.   But he has a powerful mandate to win each year, influences above him   that can — at times — dictate personnel decisions and the kind of money   to throw around that when something does not work, it does not work on  a  grand scale. All of this can be said of Cashman, as well.


But  he  has created an orderly way for the Yankees to make decisions and  the  results are, generally, better personnel decisions under Billy  Eppler  and better drafting under Damon Oppenheimer and better results,  overall,  in getting useful players to the majors. The Yankees are  viewed as  having one of the game’s stronger farm systems.


That even in his walk year Cashman was trying to get his ownership not to spend on Rafael Soriano and Carl Crawford, or trade big prospects in midseason for Ubaldo Jimenez speaks to both a good thought process and integrity not to emphasize job security over doing the right thing.


KEEP CC — BUT NOT AT ANY PRICE


The  Yankees business model and historic mandate means they have  to begin  every year believing they can win 95 games and a championship,  and keep  filling expensive seats. That is how they ended up going  against  proclamations and principles to re-sign Alex Rodriguez for a  record  $275 million, and going against their general manager’s advice to  give  $35 million to Soriano to be a setup man.


Sabathia’s camp  knows this, and it also knows the Yankees will be  hard-pressed to see  themselves as 95-win-plus championship material if  their ace leaves.  Because it is hard to see how they replace him. Within  the Yankees’  baseball operations, C.J. Wilson is viewed as closer to a  No. 3 starter  than a No. 1. Yu Darvish might be an ace or he might be  the second  coming of Daisuke Matsuzaka. The trade market does not  currently  project as promising because Seattle has shown no inclination  to move  Felix Hernandez.


 


So without Sabathia, the Yankees could be   trying to win with Nos. 2-5 starters, but not a No. 1. Thus the Yankees   will place a premium on retaining Sabathia. But he is going to, at the   least, threaten to opt out unless the four years at $92 million left  on  his deal is not greatly improved. Sabathia probably   will demand nothing less than the seven years at $146 million the   Yankees offered Cliff Lee last offseason or maybe even insist the   Yankees outdo his current seven-year, $161 million deal because they   bettered A-Rod’s existing 10-year deal when he opted out.


The   Yankees might just blink again. Remember how significantly they outbid   the field the last time they signed Sabathia because they needed him  so  badly. But I sense a resolve not to repeat the mistake of Rodriguez  by  doing the kind of long-term contract they know at the moment of   inception will be debilitating down the line. One influential official   pointed to the Red Sox going all-in last offseason with big moves for   Crawford and Adrian Gonzalez, and then not even making the playoffs and   probably doing significant long-term damage. The lesson is if you   emphasize only the short term your team will, at minimum, be badly hurt   in the big picture.


So I expect the Yankees to try to  sweeten  Sabathia’s deal, but consider seven years a breaking point and  maybe  even six. To go where he wanted, Lee rejected the Yankees’ larger  total  dollars for a five-year, $120 million pact with the Phillies.  The  Yankees know Sabathia has moved full-time to New Jersey and loves  it,  and greatly appreciates being a Yankee. So maybe they better Lee’s  deal  by offering five years at $125 million with a makeable sixth-year  option  to get a deal done.


Would another team propose more  even after Sabathia’s weight gain and  ineffectiveness late in the year?  Probably. So it could come down to  how much Sabathia really wants to stay.


GO TO THE LEFT


If  Sabathia stays or goes, the Yankees have to think about adding  more  lefty pitching to their staff. They play home games at Yankee  Stadium  with its short right-field porch and consider the lefty-leaning  Red Sox  their main nemesis — and going through the year again with just  one  lefty starter and reliever is not enough.


This is going to   make Wilson attractive. He is a lefty and the best free-agent starter   available, unless you believe in Darvish, who is a righty. Now there  are  Yankees officials who are very high on Darvish and think his stuff  will  translate here in the way that Matsuzaka’s didn’t completely.


 


In  addition, signing a Japanese free agent means no draft-pick   compensation, and an added bonus for the Yankees is that any money  spent  to win the post to get exclusive negotiating rights with Darvish  does  not get counted toward the luxury tax.


 


Texas, Toronto and Washington are expected to be aggressive on Darvish and the Yankees already have had buyer’s remorse on Hideki Irabu and   Kei Igawa. So they are more likely to consider Wilson, who will be   pursued by the same teams and more. Multiple executives spoken to,   however, believe the gregarious Wilson wants to play in New York.


But   even if the Yankees can find a lefty starter in addition to Sabathia,   they also need a second lefty to join Boone Logan in the pen. There  will  be several on the free-agent market and the best option for the  Yankees  is San Francisco’s Javier Lopez, who has held lefties to a .223  average  in his career.


STRONGLY CONSIDER CARLOS BELTRAN


From  multiple conversations with Yankees insiders, I suspect the  offense is  going to return pretty much intact next year, except with  Jorge Posada  gone and Jesus Montero taking on a larger role as a  catcher/designated  hitter. To get his athleticism into the lineup, Eduardo Nunez will be asked to play more outfield in addition to short and third.


Rodriguez has pledged to get lighter and more athletic and return to the land of 30 homers and 100 RBIs. The options for Robinson Cano and Nick Swisher will be picked up, and the Yankees will tender a contract to Russell Martin to play in his 2012 walk year.


If   this is what the team looks like, they would try to retain Andruw   Jones, who they saw as an asset on the field as a lefty masher and in   the clubhouse, where he became particularly tight with Derek Jeter.   Jones liked being a Yankee, but he sounded as if he might get his knees   cleaned up, lose some weight and make a run at being a full-time  player  again.


Jones is still just 34, one day older than Beltran.


There  was a  belief the Yankees’ postseason failure was because when they  don’t hit  homers, they don’t manufacture runs. And there is some truth  to that.  But I think there is another lack of diversification that has  nothing to  do with speed or bunting.


When the Yankees won it  all in 2009,  they had three switch-hitters (Posada, Swisher and Mark  Teixeira) who  thrived from both sides of the plate plus a fourth (Melky  Cabrera), who  was similarly near league average from both sides. In  2011, Posada  became almost exclusively used against righties because  his right-handed  swing became so putrid, and Swisher and Teixeira were  much better  against lefties than righties. Detroit used all righty  starters and  Posada hit well in the Division Series; Swisher and  Teixeira were bad.


 


Beltran was the lone switch-hitter this  year (minimum 100 plate  appearances as both a lefty and righty) to  produce a .900 OPS from both  sides of the plate. In addition — as  opposed to Teixeira and Swisher —  Beltran has been brilliant in the  postseason.


Once Posada was  stripped of catching duties, he  became a designated hitter only. The  Yankees clearly want the position  to be more flexible so, for example,  an older position player could be  installed there 25-30 times. Beltran  does not want to DH full-time, but  maybe he could do it for 40 games,  and Girardi can find a way to  rotate Beltran, Swisher and Brett Gardner  around Curtis Granderson  while still getting enough DH at-bats to use  Montero, who the Yankees  believe is ready now to be an offensive  difference maker.


Or  else the Yankees must consider either picking  up Swisher’s $10.25  million option and trying to trade him or not  picking up the option and  signing Beltran as Swisher’s right field  replacement. Is there risk?  You bet. Beltran played 142 games in 2011,  but he has significant knee  issues. With Scott Boras as Beltran’s agent,  I suspect he gets no less  than three years at $42 million, but there  always has been a question  about Beltran’s passion, especially when he  is on a multi-year  contract.


But Beltran can handle New York and  October and he  is just flat-out a better hitter than Swisher. Don’t the  Yankees at  least have to consider a regular 2012 lineup that looks like  this:  Jeter, Granderson, Beltran, Cano, A-Rod, Teixeira, Montero, Martin  and  Gardner?




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7 years ago  ::  Oct 09, 2011 - 12:53PM #42
YankeesPacificNW
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So, I caught the thread early enough to be able to participate this year. Last year it was so long, I couldn't keep up. Hope you all don't mind - I spilt my vitriol in two threads yesterday, but I'm over it now. Now, it is the excitement of watching the off season moves. For anyone that doesn't recognize me, I am a died-in-the-wool Yankees fan living near Seattle (the Yankees westernmost farm team!). Originally from Arizona and transported to the Pac NW, I have been a Yankees fan since around the Kennedy era, back in time where life was in black and white. LOL. Even then, the Yankees had their Universe of fans.


My major goal in life is to own one of those pinstriped Yankee cars, but I am out of area and that will always just be a dream. But, it is a good dream, imagining it driving down Edgar Martinez Boulevard. I love the chaos that is being a Yankee fan inside enemy territory, rather like Preislers antics among Boston, but much less in the news. My saddest story is that I was never able to make it to the old Yankee Stadium, although my daughter has and she and her husband got me pictures when driving by. My happiest story is that I am and will always be a Yankees fan.


One last thing. I love that MLB had Boston chosen as the Winner Takes All this past season even before the season began and have revelled in the joy of seeing that prophesy unravel and turn to dust. I was so alarmed to hear they were taking on Murderer's Row, seeking to surpass that thrilling team's record. But, you've gotta love irony. The Good Lord has to be a Yankees Fan with a Tremendous Sense of Humor!

I want to thank the Good Lord for making me a Yankees fan.
7 years ago  ::  Oct 09, 2011 - 5:17PM #43
FW57Clipper51
Posts: 14,912

New York Yankees clinch the 1958 World Championship


 


 


October 9, 1958- Yankees hurler Bob Turley pitched 6 2/3 shutout innings in relief of  New York starter Don Larsen to beat the Milwaukee Braves by the score  of  6-2 for the 1958 World Series title. The New York Yankees became the  1st team  since 1925 to win the World Series after being down to 3-1  games.  Yankees 1B Bill Skowron’s 3-run HR helps the Yankees win the  game in the 8th inning breaking a 2-2 game.


 


Bob "Bullet Bob" Turley (1955-1962)


 




Bo

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7 years ago  ::  Oct 09, 2011 - 7:50PM #44
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 72,385

Oct 9, 2011 -- 12:53PM, YankeesPacificNW wrote:


So, I caught the thread early enough to be able to participate this year. Last year it was so long, I couldn't keep up. Hope you all don't mind - I spilt my vitriol in two threads yesterday, but I'm over it now. Now, it is the excitement of watching the off season moves. For anyone that doesn't recognize me, I am a died-in-the-wool Yankees fan living near Seattle (the Yankees westernmost farm team!). Originally from Arizona and transported to the Pac NW, I have been a Yankees fan since around the Kennedy era, back in time where life was in black and white. LOL. Even then, the Yankees had their Universe of fans.


My major goal in life is to own one of those pinstriped Yankee cars, but I am out of area and that will always just be a dream. But, it is a good dream, imagining it driving down Edgar Martinez Boulevard. I love the chaos that is being a Yankee fan inside enemy territory, rather like Preislers antics among Boston, but much less in the news. My saddest story is that I was never able to make it to the old Yankee Stadium, although my daughter has and she and her husband got me pictures when driving by. My happiest story is that I am and will always be a Yankees fan.


One last thing. I love that MLB had Boston chosen as the Winner Takes All this past season even before the season began and have revelled in the joy of seeing that prophesy unravel and turn to dust. I was so alarmed to hear they were taking on Murderer's Row, seeking to surpass that thrilling team's record. But, you've gotta love irony. The Good Lord has to be a Yankees Fan with a Tremendous Sense of Humor!





Welcome ... glad to see you joining in. 

7 years ago  ::  Oct 10, 2011 - 7:47AM #45
115by7and9in61
Posts: 6,935

Oct 9, 2011 -- 7:50PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Oct 9, 2011 -- 12:53PM, YankeesPacificNW wrote:


So, I caught the thread early enough to be able to participate this year. Last year it was so long, I couldn't keep up. Hope you all don't mind - I spilt my vitriol in two threads yesterday, but I'm over it now. Now, it is the excitement of watching the off season moves. For anyone that doesn't recognize me, I am a died-in-the-wool Yankees fan living near Seattle (the Yankees westernmost farm team!). Originally from Arizona and transported to the Pac NW, I have been a Yankees fan since around the Kennedy era, back in time where life was in black and white. LOL. Even then, the Yankees had their Universe of fans.


My major goal in life is to own one of those pinstriped Yankee cars, but I am out of area and that will always just be a dream. But, it is a good dream, imagining it driving down Edgar Martinez Boulevard. I love the chaos that is being a Yankee fan inside enemy territory, rather like Preislers antics among Boston, but much less in the news. My saddest story is that I was never able to make it to the old Yankee Stadium, although my daughter has and she and her husband got me pictures when driving by. My happiest story is that I am and will always be a Yankees fan.


One last thing. I love that MLB had Boston chosen as the Winner Takes All this past season even before the season began and have revelled in the joy of seeing that prophesy unravel and turn to dust. I was so alarmed to hear they were taking on Murderer's Row, seeking to surpass that thrilling team's record. But, you've gotta love irony. The Good Lord has to be a Yankees Fan with a Tremendous Sense of Humor!





Welcome ... glad to see you joining in. 




Mo, how are you feelin'?...although it's rather bittersweet, I'm still enjoying the playoffs...some excitiing baseball; hard to believe the weather is still such a factor...oh well, just wanted to check in to see how things were

"...let it be known that as of this date in Major League Baseball history the one, truly honest single season home run record...61 in '61..."
7 years ago  ::  Oct 10, 2011 - 11:21AM #46
FW57Clipper51
Posts: 14,912

The Yankees win the their 1st World Series game since 1964




 




October 11, 1977-  The  Yankees defeat the Dodgers by the score of 4-3 in the opener of  the 1977  World Series. The Dodgers held a 2-1 lead in the 6th inning,  when the  Yankees tie the game at 2-2 in the 8th inning on a Willie  Randolph HR,  followed a Thurman Munson double later in the inning that  score the go  head run. The Dodgers tied the game at 3-3 in the 9th  inning, sending  the game into extra innings. In the 12th inning, the  Yankees score the  winning runs, with Willie Randolph on 2B after  hitting a lead off  double, Thurman Munson was intentionally passed, and  Paul Blair singles  home the winning run. It is the Yankees first World  Series  game victory since Game #6 in 1964.




Yankees Reserve OF Paul Blair





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7 years ago  ::  Oct 10, 2011 - 11:34AM #47
laurenfrances
Posts: 30,820

Time to move forward




The weekend has come and gone, the ALCS has started, and it seems time for the Yankees to move on.


It’s rare that a team makes too much noise before the end of the World Series, but the Yankees will at least begin the process of moving forward when Joe Girardi holds his end-of-the-season press conference tomorrow. Girardi has already received a vote of confidence from his general manager.


“I thought he did a great job, I really did,” Brian Cashman said. “I thought Joe did a great job. This team, I don’t think by anybody — including myself — was picked to have the best record in the A.L. And we didn’t really change that roster much at all, other than promotions. We found a way to slot people in and make them believe in themselves. Like (in Game 5), unfortunate circumstance with Nova, and every time we opened that bullion door, guys found a way to hold it. There wasn’t really much of an opportunity for him to do much other managing than mixing and matching throughout the day.”


If the Yankees are going to make any real news this week, it’s likely to include Cashman himself. His contract doesn’t expire until the end of the month, but Buster Olney has already reported that Cashman and the Yankees are working toward a new deal that could be finalized before the end of the week.


“I promise the owners will continue to put that effort forth to find a way to put us in a position to have success in October,” Cashman said. “I don’t want to be talking about the failure side of it at all, but that’s what we have to do.”



 

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7 years ago  ::  Oct 10, 2011 - 11:35AM #48
FW57Clipper51
Posts: 14,912

1964 Yankees win World Series Game #3 on Mickey Mantle's walk off HR in the 9th inning at Yankee Stadium




 




October 10, 1964-  The  Yankees starter Jim Bouton and Curt Simmons of the St. Louis  Cardinals battle to  a 1-1 tie through 8 innings in Game 3 of the 1964  World Series. Mickey  Mantle hits a Home Run on Cardinals reliever  Barney Schultz's 1st pitch in the 9th inning the  Yankees win the game  by a score of 2-1. It is Mickey’s 16th World Series  HR breaking Babe  Ruth’s record.  Before his at bat in the 9th inning,  Mickey tells his  Yankees teammate, Elston Howard that he’ll hit  Schultz’s 1st pitch for a  HR. Mickey Mantle will finish the 1964 World  Series with a .333 BA  with 3 HRs, he will finish his MLB career with 18 HRs in World  Series  play for the New York Yankees.




Mickey Mantle rounding 3rd base greeted by Yankees 3B Coach Frank Crosetti




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7 years ago  ::  Oct 10, 2011 - 5:27PM #49
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 72,385

Oct 10, 2011 -- 7:47AM, 115by7and9in61 wrote:




Mo, how are you feelin'?...although it's rather bittersweet, I'm still enjoying the playoffs...some excitiing baseball; hard to believe the weather is still such a factor...oh well, just wanted to check in to see how things were





I'm hangin in there.


I'm following the playoffs also ... Yankees are my preference, but I'm a baseball nut also ... so I watch untilt he bitter end! Smile

7 years ago  ::  Oct 10, 2011 - 5:32PM #50
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 72,385

Time to move forward



The weekend has come and gone, the ALCS has started, and it seems time for the Yankees to move on.


It’s rare that a team makes too much noise before the end of the  World Series, but the Yankees will at least begin the process of moving  forward when Joe Girardi holds his end-of-the-season press conference  tomorrow. Girardi has already received a vote of confidence from his  general manager.


“I thought he did a great job, I really did,” Brian Cashman said. “I  thought Joe did a great job. This team, I don’t think by anybody —  including myself — was picked to have the best record in the A.L. And we  didn’t really change that roster much at all, other than promotions. We  found a way to slot people in and make them believe in themselves. Like  (in Game 5), unfortunate circumstance with Nova, and every time we  opened that bullion door, guys found a way to hold it. There wasn’t  really much of an opportunity for him to do much other managing than  mixing and matching throughout the day.”


If the Yankees are going to make any real news this week, it’s likely  to include Cashman himself. His contract doesn’t expire until the end  of the month, but Buster Olney has already reported that Cashman and the Yankees are working toward a new deal that could be finalized before the end of the week.


“I promise the owners will continue to put that effort forth to find a  way to put us in a position to have success in October,” Cashman said.  “I don’t want to be talking about the failure side of it at all, but  that’s what we have to do.”

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