Nov 16, 2011 -- 2:20PM, Cleese wrote:

Nov 16, 2011 -- 2:17PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:

Nov 16, 2011 -- 10:27AM, Cleese wrote:

@mlbtraderumors MLB Trade Rumors
RT @MelissaSeguraSI: Source: CBA said to include a hard cap and a floor for international signings. Unclear when it would go into effect.

Just a step away from salary caps for any signing in MLB.

Thats not happening anytime soon. Other than the Yankees, teams like the Phillies, Red Sox, and possibly the Giants wont agree to that. The luxury tax system is just fine. He like a hard cap. Your payroll goes past the luxury tax line, you pay a fee just like you'd pay a fee if you went over a hard cap.

I hope so!

Nov 16, 2011 -- 10:45AM, LiferYank wrote:

Really the whole system is a joke.

1) You cant trade picks

That is something I would love to see with the draft, as well as the elimination in draft compensation tied to free agency.

Nov 16, 2011 -- 10:45AM, LiferYank wrote:

2) You pick a player but you dont have the rights to that player. If he wants to go to school or heck just not play for you you wasted a pick.

Not sure I understand this comment.  Of course that team has the rights to that player, they are the only one who can negotiate with that player.  But the inidividual has the right to choose not to sign a contract.  MLB can't make someone sign a contract.  Anyone should have the right to choose another option if they don't like the offer they are being made.

Nov 16, 2011 -- 10:45AM, LiferYank wrote:

3) Hard Cap and Floor for "international players" aka Latin but the posting system for Asian players will still exist. wtf?

I hate the cap for international players, I loved the free market they had before with it.  Can't really compare them to asian players, cause those players are under contract with a Japanese team, while latin players are usually 16 and not under any kind of professional contract.  Latin IF's are truly free agents, while Japanese players (who have not reached free agency in the Japan league) are still under control by the japanese club.  The difference is the Japan club has decided the sell the rights to that player.

The posting system should be done a way with though.  If the Japan club wants to sell the rights to the player, it should be an open bidding process as opposed to a blind bid process.  Just a stupid way to do business.

Nov 16, 2011 -- 10:45AM, LiferYank wrote:

4) Hard Cap and Floor for "international players" but will that include "signing bonuses"?

If  you are an American FA there is no limit to what a team can pay you but if your some poor latino kid there is?

Really Selig?

In reality our past system favored latin players cause they weren't subject to a draft and they were truly free agents.  American born players were not given the same rights and liberties as international free agents in our current system.

Consider what strasburg would've gotten had he been able to be a free agent...25,30, 50M?  In any event he probably would've done better than he did in the draft.  Consider Chapman got $30M (twice as much in total value than Strasburg) and he wasn't nearly as refined a pitcher as strasburg was.

Honestly, the draft, IF hard caps and floors, are wrong.  It should be a free market, period.

Nov 16, 2011 -- 3:34PM, LiferYank wrote:

Nov 16, 2011 -- 3:23PM, yanks4322 wrote:

Nov 16, 2011 -- 10:45AM, LiferYank wrote:

Really the whole system is a joke.

1) You cant trade picks

That is something I would love to see with the draft, as well as the elimination in draft compensation tied to free agency.

Nov 16, 2011 -- 10:45AM, LiferYank wrote:

2) You pick a player but you dont have the rights to that player. If he wants to go to school or heck just not play for you you wasted a pick.

Not sure I understand this comment.  Of course that team has the rights to that player, they are the only one who can negotiate with that player.  But the inidividual has the right to choose not to sign a contract.  MLB can't make someone sign a contract.  Anyone should have the right to choose another option if they don't like the offer they are being made.

Nov 16, 2011 -- 10:45AM, LiferYank wrote:

3) Hard Cap and Floor for "international players" aka Latin but the posting system for Asian players will still exist. wtf?

I hate the cap for international players, I loved the free market they had before with it.  Can't really compare them to asian players, cause those players are under contract with a Japanese team, while latin players are usually 16 and not under any kind of professional contract.  Latin IF's are truly free agents, while Japanese players (who have not reached free agency in the Japan league) are still under control by the japanese club.  The difference is the Japan club has decided the sell the rights to that player.

The posting system should be done a way with though.  If the Japan club wants to sell the rights to the player, it should be an open bidding process as opposed to a blind bid process.  Just a stupid way to do business.

Nov 16, 2011 -- 10:45AM, LiferYank wrote:

4) Hard Cap and Floor for "international players" but will that include "signing bonuses"?

If  you are an American FA there is no limit to what a team can pay you but if your some poor latino kid there is?

Really Selig?

In reality our past system favored latin players cause they weren't subject to a draft and they were truly free agents.  American born players were not given the same rights and liberties as international free agents in our current system.

Consider what strasburg would've gotten had he been able to be a free agent...25,30, 50M?  In any event he probably would've done better than he did in the draft.  Consider Chapman got $30M (twice as much in total value than Strasburg) and he wasn't nearly as refined a pitcher as strasburg was.

Honestly, the draft, IF hard caps and floors, are wrong.  It should be a free market, period.

You do and dont have rights to that draft pick. If they dont sign they can enter the draft next year and the following and following. That is what i mean. You lose the player and the pick.

You have rights to that draft pick for specific window.  No team should have rights a player it drafts for eternity.  Thats ridiculous, this isn't slavery.  These player should have some rights and choices.  That is why I believe in the free market, elimination of the draft all together.

Nov 16, 2011 -- 4:04PM, LiferYank wrote:

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You have rights to that draft pick for specific window.  No team should have rights a player it drafts for eternity.  Thats ridiculous, this isn't slavery.  These player should have some rights and choices.  That is why I believe in the free market, elimination of the draft all together.

This goes with not being able to trade picks. Slavery has nothing to do with it come on now. NBA,NHL and NFL follow my line of thought and no one cries slavery.

I agree with you about trading picks, if we have to have a draft.  However, I just diasagreed with the complaint that the window of time a team has rights to a draft pick isn't long enough. 

Nov 16, 2011 -- 3:10PM, yanks4322 wrote:

Nov 16, 2011 -- 10:33AM, 61in61 wrote:

Nov 16, 2011 -- 10:29AM, Cleese wrote:

I guess the Yankees wont be able to throw loads of money at there most wanted international players.

I knew this would happen. I'm surprised MLB hasn't created some form of waiver system giving the weaker teams first pick at these players.

That would be called a draft

Yes, that's what I was trying say. Thanks.