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9 years ago  ::  Dec 10, 2011 - 4:28PM #71
TheIronHorse
Posts: 845

Dec 10, 2011 -- 4:25PM, Lola wrote:


I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's on the list. Does anyone really care about the list anymore?





Even though I know it's a rhetorical question, I still do. Everytime I hear Aroid from fans of different teams, it makes me want to hear the names of the players on their teams that were using.


Of course Arod never used while on the Yankees, but since he used before people feel free to rumor monger and provide their own "evidence."

9 years ago  ::  Dec 10, 2011 - 4:35PM #72
Lola
Posts: 26,436

Dec 10, 2011 -- 4:28PM, TheIronHorse wrote:


Dec 10, 2011 -- 4:25PM, Lola wrote:


I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's on the list. Does anyone really care about the list anymore?





Even though I know it's a rhetorical question, I still do. Everytime I hear Aroid from fans of different teams, it makes me want to hear the names of the players on their teams that were using.


Of course Arod never used while on the Yankees, but since he used before people feel free to rumor monger and provide their own "evidence."




I understand... it's wasn't fair to ARod, he was most definitely the Goat. It's also not fair to players who we're not on the list. I'm not sure anyone cares anymore.

9 years ago  ::  Dec 10, 2011 - 4:55PM #73
ArtVandelay
Posts: 34,732

Dec 10, 2011 -- 4:35PM, Lola wrote:


Dec 10, 2011 -- 4:28PM, TheIronHorse wrote:


Dec 10, 2011 -- 4:25PM, Lola wrote:


I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's on the list. Does anyone really care about the list anymore?





Even though I know it's a rhetorical question, I still do. Everytime I hear Aroid from fans of different teams, it makes me want to hear the names of the players on their teams that were using.


Of course Arod never used while on the Yankees, but since he used before people feel free to rumor monger and provide their own "evidence."




I understand... it's wasn't fair to ARod, he was most definitely the Goat. It's also not fair to players who we're not on the list. I'm not sure anyone cares anymore.




sure, right now nobody cares - but if we hear Pujols is on the list people will care, if 2 weeks before he is scheduled to make a speech at Cooperstown and we find out Griffey is on the list people will care...  this is why I said many times the list should be released, there are reporters out there with this info and they are just waiting for the right moment to release the story and make a name for themselves....

9 years ago  ::  Dec 10, 2011 - 5:10PM #74
Lola
Posts: 26,436

Dec 10, 2011 -- 4:55PM, ArtVandelay wrote:


Dec 10, 2011 -- 4:35PM, Lola wrote:


Dec 10, 2011 -- 4:28PM, TheIronHorse wrote:


Dec 10, 2011 -- 4:25PM, Lola wrote:


I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's on the list. Does anyone really care about the list anymore?





Even though I know it's a rhetorical question, I still do. Everytime I hear Aroid from fans of different teams, it makes me want to hear the names of the players on their teams that were using.


Of course Arod never used while on the Yankees, but since he used before people feel free to rumor monger and provide their own "evidence."




I understand... it's wasn't fair to ARod, he was most definitely the Goat. It's also not fair to players who we're not on the list. I'm not sure anyone cares anymore.




sure, right now nobody cares - but if we hear Pujols is on the list people will care, if 2 weeks before he is scheduled to make a speech at Cooperstown and we find out Griffey is on the list people will care...  this is why I said many times the list should be released, there are reporters out there with this info and they are just waiting for the right moment to release the story and make a name for themselves....




I agree the entire list should have been released when ARods name was leaked. It just seems to have lost some steam now.

9 years ago  ::  Dec 10, 2011 - 6:11PM #75
qwik3457
Posts: 12,018

I said a long time ago that Manny and Ortiz and all the rest should thank their lucky stars that A-Rod was "outed" first, because he would absorb most of the heat. You can only get "outraged" so many times. The media vented on A-Rod so thoroughly, they didn't have nearly as much venom to use on Manny and Ortiz.

Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber
9 years ago  ::  Dec 10, 2011 - 7:39PM #76
HeatMiser
Posts: 2,999

Dec 10, 2011 -- 4:28PM, TheIronHorse wrote:


Of course Arod never used while on the Yankees




Saying "of course he never used as a Yankee" is no different than saying "he definitely used as a Yankee."


"As far as we know, he's never used as a Yankee" is more accurate, but the smart money would probably bet the other way.

9 years ago  ::  Dec 10, 2011 - 9:50PM #77
61in61
Posts: 26,516

Dec 10, 2011 -- 7:39PM, HeatMiser wrote:


Dec 10, 2011 -- 4:28PM, TheIronHorse wrote:


Of course Arod never used while on the Yankees




Saying "of course he never used as a Yankee" is no different than saying "he definitely used as a Yankee."


"As far as we know, he's never used as a Yankee" is more accurate, but the smart money would probably bet the other way.




My bet is that he used them as a Yankee.

9 years ago  ::  Dec 11, 2011 - 2:51AM #78
qwik3457
Posts: 12,018

Dec 10, 2011 -- 9:50PM, 61in61 wrote:


Dec 10, 2011 -- 7:39PM, HeatMiser wrote:


Dec 10, 2011 -- 4:28PM, TheIronHorse wrote:


Of course Arod never used while on the Yankees




Saying "of course he never used as a Yankee" is no different than saying "he definitely used as a Yankee."


"As far as we know, he's never used as a Yankee" is more accurate, but the smart money would probably bet the other way.




My bet is that he used them as a Yankee.




I wouldn't bet against that.

Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber
9 years ago  ::  Dec 11, 2011 - 11:32AM #79
Lola
Posts: 26,436

Dec 11, 2011 -- 2:51AM, qwik3457 wrote:


Dec 10, 2011 -- 9:50PM, 61in61 wrote:


Dec 10, 2011 -- 7:39PM, HeatMiser wrote:


Dec 10, 2011 -- 4:28PM, TheIronHorse wrote:


Of course Arod never used while on the Yankees




Saying "of course he never used as a Yankee" is no different than saying "he definitely used as a Yankee."


"As far as we know, he's never used as a Yankee" is more accurate, but the smart money would probably bet the other way.




My bet is that he used them as a Yankee.




I wouldn't bet against that.




Nothing surprises me anymore.

9 years ago  ::  Dec 12, 2011 - 8:50AM #80
RobS44
Posts: 5,608

Dec 10, 2011 -- 11:28AM, 61in61 wrote:


Dec 9, 2011 -- 12:13PM, RobS44 wrote:


Dec 8, 2011 -- 7:21PM, TheIronHorse wrote:


I just want to try to understand what some people on this board are saying. The people who have been killing the Yankees over the Arod contract are applauding the Angels for giving Pujols a similar deal for similar years? Yeah because that contract is going to look so much better than Arods as Pujols starts piling up the injuries.


Then, the Angels gave CJ Wilson an AJ Burnett type deal when Wilson doesn't even have close to Burnett's track record.


So the Angels gave out 2 bad contracts and people are mad that the Yankees weren't in on the bidding. You just can't make this stuff up.





Hey, IronHorse,


You have to understand that there are some folks for whom it is unacceptable for ANY team to have ANY player who is better than what the Yankees have.  These are usually the same folks with the "It's not my money" mindset.  They have come to expect at least one shiny new toy under the tree every off season.  Never mind that signing ANY player for 10 years has potential albatross writen all over it, and Wilson signed for near ace-like money only because the FA market for starters was so thin and he was the best of what little was availble.


They do not accept that even George had limits.   They do not understand why Hank and Hal are unwilling to spend 50%, 60% or more than any other team.  Hey, it's not their money.  They are Yankee fans and they are entitled.


I applaud Cshman for not even thinking of getting in on the bidding for either Pujols or Wilson.




What is wrong with not wanting another team to have better players than the Yankees? Generally you win by having better players. Its a fact of all sports. And what's wrong with feeling entitled? Twenty-seven world championships kinda makes its own point. And while the Indians, Red Sox etc were going to the WS once every 10 years the Yanks were in the WS 9 out of every 10. Why? Because they had better players and more money.


Professional sports is about winning, doing whatever it takes to win every year. If that means overpaying, so be it if you have the money. People overpay for everything, everyday. You overpaid for your car, your TV, your cell phone, even your house. You can't even buy a coffee pot at Wal-Mart without overpaying. But, if you have the money you don't care. You buy it and atke it home and when it breaks down you throw it away and buy another. Somewhere people have developed a rather odd notion that teams shouldn't overpay for athletes.


If you were wealthy and wanted a BMW would you complain about overpaying when it costs 10 times what its really worth? No, you buy it because you can afford it and want it. Next year you trade it for a Mercedes that's also overpriced.


And, it isn't my money! It wasn't my money when the Yanks bought Ruth and signed Gehrig, Dickey, Gordon, Dimaggio, Mantle, Berra and Ford either. It wasn't my money when they signed Reggie and Catfish or Cone or Mussina. What do they all have in common? They helped win a WS!!!!!


You are starting to sound like Mike Lupica bashing the Yanks because they spend and have the highest payroll in baseball.






It is not unreasonable to want to have the best player in MLB at every position.  What is unreasonable is to expect it or to even think it is possible.  What something is worth is what someone is willing to pay for it.  A BMW may well be worth 1/10 of what I might have to pay for it but if I decide to pay it, that is what it is worth.  And since I have a budget, as do the Yankees, I have to factor in whether or not paying for a BMW will allow me upgrade my TV if I want to do that also.


Not your money?  Where do you think the money comes from?  Sure the last pockets it comes out of are Hank and Hal’s, but it originally comes out of your pocket, my pocket, and every other fan’s pockets in the form of higher ticket prices, higher parking, concession, souvenir and cable prices, more ads on the broadcasts.


I am most certainly NOT bashing the Yanks for having money nor am I bashing them for being willing to have the highest payroll in MLB.  In fact, as a fan, I am grateful we have owners who are willing to spend more than anybody else.  And I am glad that “World Series or bust” is the expectation every year, year in and year out and that the Yankees do not have owners who are more interested in the bottom line than the standings.  So as long as it is more than anybody else, I do not think that we have any cause to complain that the budget for player salaries isn’t even higher.

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