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9 years ago  ::  Dec 08, 2011 - 12:58PM #51
JT
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Dec 8, 2011 -- 12:48PM, AlexRodriguezX wrote:


Has Albert ever played at Yankee Stadium? I can't remember. Those game are going  to be really fun to watch.





Dont know but he'll be the 2nd weekend of the season though.

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9 years ago  ::  Dec 08, 2011 - 1:00PM #52
AlexRodriguezX
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Dec 8, 2011 -- 12:58PM, JT wrote:


Dec 8, 2011 -- 12:48PM, AlexRodriguezX wrote:


Has Albert ever played at Yankee Stadium? I can't remember. Those game are going  to be really fun to watch.





Dont know but he'll be the 2nd weekend of the season though.




Wow, awesome!!

9 years ago  ::  Dec 08, 2011 - 1:00PM #53
laurenfrances
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I'm guessing the no trade clause was the deal breaker as Marlins offered more dollars$$$$$$$$


Pujols received ten years and around $255MM from the Angels, but Bob Nightengale of USA Today says the Marlins offered ten years and $275MM.  He says that with incentives and Florida's lack of a state income tax, the deal could have been worth nearly $300MM.

9 years ago  ::  Dec 08, 2011 - 1:07PM #54
JT
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Dec 8, 2011 -- 1:00PM, laurenfrances wrote:


I'm guessing the no trade clause was the deal breaker as Marlins offered more dollars$$$$$$$$


Pujols received ten years and around $255MM from the Angels, but Bob Nightengale of USA Today says the Marlins offered ten years and $275MM.  He says that with incentives and Florida's lack of a state income tax, the deal could have been worth nearly $300MM.





Pujols is stupid. Despite not being giving a NTC, the length and dollar amount is basically a NTC in itself. No team would be willing to take on any of a 10 Yr/$275 Mil contract, not even the Yankees after witnessing the the effects of the Arod contract.

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9 years ago  ::  Dec 08, 2011 - 1:10PM #55
captainclutch2
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holy sh*t....scary signing, the Angels mean business

9 years ago  ::  Dec 08, 2011 - 1:34PM #56
Walton
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                 I didn't actually read what Cashman said but there was a headline indicating that he was surprised at what people are paying people this winter. I'm surprised. I don't think {as good as he is} that a 31 yr old Pujols {is he 32?} is worth 10yrs @25 million per yr. I don't think Mark Buerhle is worth 14.5 mil per for four years. I don't think CJ Wilson is worth 15.4 million per yr for five years.................I keep thinking that as business people through the years study the "big contracts" {long term especially}  that have been dispensed in professional sports over they'll come to the same conclusion I have which is that these contracts as a whole would not come out as a "positive" overall on a graph. I'm not just talking about the 19 million plus contracts here, I'm also talking about the good {not great} players getting paid 12.8 mil per.......14.1 mil per.........17.2 mil per...............I'm talking about the mediocre to pretty good players who suddenly find themselves making 8.9 mil per or 7.5 mil per. For every Roy Halladay and CC Sabathia there are a boatload of AJ Burnetts and John Lackeys and Carl Crawfords and Barry Zito's and so forth and so on. I think it is good the Yankees have treaded softly..................................in my opinion, in a perfect world, a team like the Yankees would have a payroll of 140-150 million but they'd put ALOT of money into scouting and into signing young studs. Give some kid a 7 million dollar bonus and then if he pays off you got him "locked in" for awhile. I keep thinking these teams in pro sports are gonna come to their senses and NOT throw money around but it doesn't look like that is going to happen anytime soon. When I heard whispers that Pujols wanted 10 yrs at 30 million per yr awhile back I chuckled to myself because I thought it was "nuts." I said, "thats crazy." Well. I guess he's not gonna get 30 mil but 25 mil is pretty close.

9 years ago  ::  Dec 08, 2011 - 1:51PM #57
RobS44
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Given that the Yankees, Red Sox and Phillies are, essentially, sitting on the sidelines. the contracts being given out do seem out of whack.


While the 31 year old Pujols has had only two 15 day stints on the DL, it is worth remembering that ARod did not become a frequent visitor to the DL until after his age 33 season.

9 years ago  ::  Dec 08, 2011 - 2:21PM #58
HeatMiser
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Dec 8, 2011 -- 1:34PM, Walton wrote:


in my opinion, in a perfect world, a team like the Yankees would have a payroll of 140-150 million but they'd put ALOT of money into scouting and into signing young studs. Give some kid a 7 million dollar bonus and then if he pays off you got him "locked in" for awhile.




What do you do when the young stud pays off and he's no longer "locked in"?


Do you trade him as he enters his prime? Should the Yankees trade Cano for prospects, or give him $150-200 million?

9 years ago  ::  Dec 08, 2011 - 2:43PM #59
61in61
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Dec 8, 2011 -- 11:21AM, LiferYank wrote:


Dec 8, 2011 -- 11:20AM, 61in61 wrote:


Dec 8, 2011 -- 10:13AM, LiferYank wrote:


Dec 8, 2011 -- 10:08AM, 61in61 wrote:


Dec 8, 2011 -- 10:05AM, JT wrote:


Well the Angels just got scary as hell.




And the Yanks are doing nothing.





Bad contracts have a way of doing that over time.... Cashman only has so much room to work with now.


That being said overall its a horrible contract due to the length.... Least the Angels are in the same boat we are now in.






Cashman has all kinds of room to work with.




Not when he has a target for 2014... Just what moves did you expect him to do?




That 2014 target is a pile of dog poo. Its a self imposed target that only reflects the corporate style of management now in place. The Yanks had over $400M in revenue which, in light of disclosures during the new CBA negotiations is more like $400M in profit. That makes asbout $400M in "room" to work with if they really wanted to spend that much. That's a ridulous amount to spend but it illustrates just how artificial that $189M payroll target is. The reality is the Yanks could sign anyone they wanted, they could trade AJ and eat a lot of his salary, they could probably do the same with Alex if they thought it would help the team. They are in no way hampered by any of their contracts if they chose not to be.

9 years ago  ::  Dec 08, 2011 - 2:50PM #60
61in61
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Dec 8, 2011 -- 12:19PM, RobS44 wrote:




And the Yanks are doing nothing.





Bad contracts have a way of doing that over time.... Cashman only has so much room to work with now.


That being said overall its a horrible contract due to the length.... Least the Angels are in the same boat we are now in.






Cashman has all kinds of room to work with.





Not sure where you are seeing all this room Cashman has.  While the Yankees intention to get below the luxury tax threshold for 2014 may be so much smoke, it does seem clear that the days of big increases in the payroll are over.  Given that they seem intent on staying in the $200 - $205 range for 2012 and they have at least 4 big ticket players who seem unlikley to produce commiserate with what they will be paid, they are going to have to get significant contributions from yoing, inexpensive players before he can sped big bucks for a big name FA.


Would I like to see Pujols in a Yankee uniform,  yes, but not for a guaranteed 10 years, and certainly not if they can't get someoen to take the entirety of Tex' remaining contract.  There is nothiong to suggest that Reyes, Wilson and Buerhle would have been worth topping what they signed for.




I'm not saying they should have signed Pujols or Wilson or anyone in particular. Its just that with close to $400M in profit the Yanks could sign anyone they wanted. The problem is Hank and Hal have now embarked on a corporate management style which is designed to line the pockets of the partners and management. George just wanted to win; his sons are are running the team like it was GM. Corporations are lousy at managing a sports franchise. Remember CBS?

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