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Feb 6, 2012 -- 8:08PM, MikeNYYanks wrote:

Feb 6, 2012 -- 8:06PM, BigGuy wrote:

Feb 6, 2012 -- 8:01PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:

Missing out on one of these guys won't impact our season in the least, can't we hold out and try to deal for a versatile infielder that swings a potent bat against righties?  I think we can pull a few more wins out of having 12 or 13 pitchers on the club rather than over pay for a declining veteran bat.

Wasn't that what Cashman wanted to do to begin with?  Apparently he couldn't get a trade done or they wouldn't be going the FA route.  They could try Ibanez until July and see if a better option becomes available via trade then.  He'll probably also act as their 5th outfielder meaning Dickerson's days are numbered.  He's out of options too. 

I dont see how this helps us. We dont need a 6th outfielder, we need more infield help and a lefty stick....Chavez anyone? or a like player.

They aren't signing Ibanez to be an outfielder.  He's going to be the DH against righty pitching and probably also the 5th outfielder.  I could still see them bring Chavez or somebody like him in. Otherwise they only have Nunez as a backup infielder. 

Feb 6, 2012 -- 8:15PM, BigGuy wrote:

Feb 6, 2012 -- 8:08PM, MikeNYYanks wrote:

Feb 6, 2012 -- 8:06PM, BigGuy wrote:

Feb 6, 2012 -- 8:01PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:

Missing out on one of these guys won't impact our season in the least, can't we hold out and try to deal for a versatile infielder that swings a potent bat against righties?  I think we can pull a few more wins out of having 12 or 13 pitchers on the club rather than over pay for a declining veteran bat.

Wasn't that what Cashman wanted to do to begin with?  Apparently he couldn't get a trade done or they wouldn't be going the FA route.  They could try Ibanez until July and see if a better option becomes available via trade then.  He'll probably also act as their 5th outfielder meaning Dickerson's days are numbered.  He's out of options too. 

I dont see how this helps us. We dont need a 6th outfielder, we need more infield help and a lefty stick....Chavez anyone? or a like player.

They aren't signing Ibanez to be an outfielder.  He's going to be the DH against righty pitching and probably also the 5th outfielder.  I could still see them bring Chavez or somebody like him in. Otherwise they only have Nunez as a backup infielder. 

I would never DH a regular fielder unless there was a viable sub still on the bench that could be servicable at least for the remainder of a game and I would like to DH the veterans occasionally (especially on turf) to keep them healthy and in the game.

Feb 6, 2012 -- 8:28PM, BigGuy wrote:

Feb 6, 2012 -- 8:20PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:

Feb 6, 2012 -- 8:15PM, BigGuy wrote:

Feb 6, 2012 -- 8:08PM, MikeNYYanks wrote:

Feb 6, 2012 -- 8:06PM, BigGuy wrote:

Feb 6, 2012 -- 8:01PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:

Missing out on one of these guys won't impact our season in the least, can't we hold out and try to deal for a versatile infielder that swings a potent bat against righties?  I think we can pull a few more wins out of having 12 or 13 pitchers on the club rather than over pay for a declining veteran bat.

Wasn't that what Cashman wanted to do to begin with?  Apparently he couldn't get a trade done or they wouldn't be going the FA route.  They could try Ibanez until July and see if a better option becomes available via trade then.  He'll probably also act as their 5th outfielder meaning Dickerson's days are numbered.  He's out of options too. 

I dont see how this helps us. We dont need a 6th outfielder, we need more infield help and a lefty stick....Chavez anyone? or a like player.

They aren't signing Ibanez to be an outfielder.  He's going to be the DH against righty pitching and probably also the 5th outfielder.  I could still see them bring Chavez or somebody like him in. Otherwise they only have Nunez as a backup infielder. 

I would never DH a regular fielder unless there was a viable sub still on the bench that could be servicable at least for the remainder of a game and I would like to DH the veterans occasionally (especially on turf) to keep them healthy and in the game.

I agree.  That's why they still need backup infielder, whether its Chavez returning or somebody else. 

As our bench expands with one dimensional players if we can't make a trade or two who will be the first roster victim?  Cabral or Wade?

Feb 6, 2012 -- 8:35PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:

Feb 6, 2012 -- 8:28PM, BigGuy wrote:

Feb 6, 2012 -- 8:20PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:

Feb 6, 2012 -- 8:15PM, BigGuy wrote:

Feb 6, 2012 -- 8:08PM, MikeNYYanks wrote:

Feb 6, 2012 -- 8:06PM, BigGuy wrote:

Feb 6, 2012 -- 8:01PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:

Missing out on one of these guys won't impact our season in the least, can't we hold out and try to deal for a versatile infielder that swings a potent bat against righties?  I think we can pull a few more wins out of having 12 or 13 pitchers on the club rather than over pay for a declining veteran bat.

Wasn't that what Cashman wanted to do to begin with?  Apparently he couldn't get a trade done or they wouldn't be going the FA route.  They could try Ibanez until July and see if a better option becomes available via trade then.  He'll probably also act as their 5th outfielder meaning Dickerson's days are numbered.  He's out of options too. 

I dont see how this helps us. We dont need a 6th outfielder, we need more infield help and a lefty stick....Chavez anyone? or a like player.

They aren't signing Ibanez to be an outfielder.  He's going to be the DH against righty pitching and probably also the 5th outfielder.  I could still see them bring Chavez or somebody like him in. Otherwise they only have Nunez as a backup infielder. 

I would never DH a regular fielder unless there was a viable sub still on the bench that could be servicable at least for the remainder of a game and I would like to DH the veterans occasionally (especially on turf) to keep them healthy and in the game.

I agree.  That's why they still need backup infielder, whether its Chavez returning or somebody else. 

As our bench expands with one dimensional players if we can't make a trade or two who will be the first roster victim?  Cabral or Wade?

I don't see the bench expanding at all.  Ibanez or whoever the hell they sign will be replacing Posada.  Chavez or somebody like him will be replacing himself.  They'll probably still carry 12 pitchers.  With Ibanez as the DH and acting as the 5th outfielder there's no need to carry Dickerson.

Feb 6, 2012 -- 8:38PM, BigGuy wrote:

Feb 6, 2012 -- 8:35PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:

Feb 6, 2012 -- 8:28PM, BigGuy wrote:

Feb 6, 2012 -- 8:20PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:

Feb 6, 2012 -- 8:15PM, BigGuy wrote:

Feb 6, 2012 -- 8:08PM, MikeNYYanks wrote:

Feb 6, 2012 -- 8:06PM, BigGuy wrote:

Feb 6, 2012 -- 8:01PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:

Missing out on one of these guys won't impact our season in the least, can't we hold out and try to deal for a versatile infielder that swings a potent bat against righties?  I think we can pull a few more wins out of having 12 or 13 pitchers on the club rather than over pay for a declining veteran bat.

Wasn't that what Cashman wanted to do to begin with?  Apparently he couldn't get a trade done or they wouldn't be going the FA route.  They could try Ibanez until July and see if a better option becomes available via trade then.  He'll probably also act as their 5th outfielder meaning Dickerson's days are numbered.  He's out of options too. 

I dont see how this helps us. We dont need a 6th outfielder, we need more infield help and a lefty stick....Chavez anyone? or a like player.

They aren't signing Ibanez to be an outfielder.  He's going to be the DH against righty pitching and probably also the 5th outfielder.  I could still see them bring Chavez or somebody like him in. Otherwise they only have Nunez as a backup infielder. 

I would never DH a regular fielder unless there was a viable sub still on the bench that could be servicable at least for the remainder of a game and I would like to DH the veterans occasionally (especially on turf) to keep them healthy and in the game.

I agree.  That's why they still need backup infielder, whether its Chavez returning or somebody else. 

As our bench expands with one dimensional players if we can't make a trade or two who will be the first roster victim?  Cabral or Wade?

I don't see the bench expanding at all.  Ibanez or whoever the hell they sign will be replacing Posada.  Chavez or somebody like him will be replacing himself.  They'll probably still carry 12 pitchers.  With Ibanez as the DH and acting as the 5th outfielder there's no need to carry Dickerson.

We start the season with these pitchers:

• Sabathia
• Nova
• Pineda
• Kuroda
• Hughes
• Garcia
• Burnett
• Rivera
• Robertson
• Soriano
• Logan
• Wade
• Cabral

That leaves one roster spot to round out the line-up.  If we add two or more someone has to be cut, returned, demoted, or traded.

It's sad to say but Cabral is probably too green and won't get much of an audition but we can very easily lose guys like Wade to the numbers game as well.