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Unlike other suspected users, unbelievable luck gets Braun off from PEDs charge
1 year ago  ::  Feb 24, 2012 - 9:17AM #11
LiferYank
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I'm not surprised at all. He was the Brewers Golden Boy. Seligs "previously" owned them ;). Sure MLB can act outraged but im sure Selig is pleased.
1 year ago  ::  Feb 24, 2012 - 12:53PM #12
ninja108
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Feb 24, 2012 -- 9:17AM, LiferYank wrote:


I'm not surprised at all. He was the Brewers Golden Boy. Seligs "previously" owned them ;). Sure MLB can act outraged but im sure Selig is pleased.




 From what I've heard of, the samples are supposed to be sent to the lab in 24 hours,period. That wasn't done in this case. That's how he got off. MLB is outraged they were made to look like fools on this one.
1 year ago  ::  Feb 24, 2012 - 3:33PM #13
AlexRodriguezX
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The MLB drug testing system is clearly flawed. It's a shame because nobody will ever look at this guy the same way even though he probably didn't do anything wrong.
1 year ago  ::  Feb 24, 2012 - 11:31PM #14
Walton
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The arbiter who voted in favor of Braun is an idiot. I hope MLB challenges his ruling to the courts {which they can.} Braun's level of testosterone measured in Montreal {where they do this} was 30-1. The level which raises red flags is 4-1. Brauns contention was that the guy who takes the urine and gets it to Montreal {he has performed this task successfully since 2005 for MLB, the NFL and the UCF?} didn't get it to Montreal via FedEx and that the urine sat in his basement refrigerator for 44 hours before going to Montreal. Big deal. This has happened before. The seal on the urine was not broken and there was no decomposition {bacteria present} in the urine. Only those extenuating circumstances should undercut the fifty game suspension..........Ryan Braun. Cheater.
1 year ago  ::  Feb 24, 2012 - 11:36PM #15
Walton
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Feb 24, 2012 -- 3:33PM, AlexRodriguezX wrote:


The MLB drug testing system is clearly flawed. It's a shame because nobody will ever look at this guy the same way even though he probably didn't do anything wrong.




You know something Alex? You're a.............I won't say it. Have you read about this? He was DEFINATELY guilty. His level of testosterone was 30-1. {The level which raises red flags is 4-1.} Why would you say "he was probably innocent?" The fact is there is about a 98% chance he was guilty. Why do you consistantly make statements when you don't have any idea what you're talking about? Did you completely investigate all available information about the situation...........or did you just make your post? Read my post above. That's what happened. There was nothing wrong with the test. He was guilty as sin.
1 year ago  ::  Feb 25, 2012 - 12:03AM #16
laurenfrances
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Feb 24, 2012 -- 3:33PM, AlexRodriguezX wrote:


The MLB drug testing system is clearly flawed. It's a shame because nobody will ever look at this guy the same way even though he probably didn't do anything wrong.




I can't believe you're this dense.  No amount of storage time is going to change a negative result to a positive one. The urine sample were sealed and stored in the proper temperature. Even if it was stored improperly undergoing decomposition, nothing short of a miracle would turn negative result to a positive one.  Test also show no bacteria was found as no decomposition indeed occurred. 


The lab received the sample sealed. From what was reported by testing authorities, special vials are used that requires a specific tool to open it.  So tampering would be obvious. Labeled tape was used to provide another level of assurance. As reported from another agency handling drug testing...previous control testing has been done to check for the effects of leaving samples in room temperature over a period of 1 month vs standard conditions.  As test was preformed, the two samples with two different storage time/temperature lead to same results. PEDs level didn't miraculous appear over a period of time, levels found remain the same....


Lets call it as we see it...The guy got off as chain of custody was altered giving him a way out.....Plain and simple....he got off on a technicality.  


Braun could vehemently voice his innocence that's par for the course...deny deny deny think Bonds, Clemens, A-Rod and Palmeiro as he wagged his finger ..... If anything, good lawyering occurred for Braun, they will be paid handsomely.

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1 year ago  ::  Feb 25, 2012 - 11:19AM #17
AlexRodriguezX
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Feb 24, 2012 -- 11:36PM, Walton wrote:


Feb 24, 2012 -- 3:33PM, AlexRodriguezX wrote:


The MLB drug testing system is clearly flawed. It's a shame because nobody will ever look at this guy the same way even though he probably didn't do anything wrong.




You know something Alex? You're a.............I won't say it. Have you read about this? He was DEFINATELY guilty. His level of testosterone was 30-1. {The level which raises red flags is 4-1.} Why would you say "he was probably innocent?" The fact is there is about a 98% chance he was guilty. Why do you consistantly make statements when you don't have any idea what you're talking about? Did you completely investigate all available information about the situation...........or did you just make your post? Read my post above. That's what happened. There was nothing wrong with the test. He was guilty as sin.




I'm a ****?? I don't give a **** what you think about me. You have no proof that he's guilty. The test says that his testosterone levels were higher than any other players in history. Yea, That makes a whole lotta ****in sense for a guy that's never failed a test in his life. He didn't gain 1 pound the entire season and he looks exactly the same as he did 2010. 
1 year ago  ::  Feb 25, 2012 - 2:43PM #18
ninja108
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 Here's my take again...I think Braun is guilty,guilty,guilty. But at the end of the day,the rules MLB itself put into place weren't followed here. No FedEx or anything else available? Then don't do the test when you know you can't ship it out in 24 hours,which is what the MLB agreed to in the agreement. Throw in the fact the guy apprently skipped two drop spots and you have yourself another rule that wasn't followed.


 Bottom line,if this was a criminal case it would have been thrown out. You don't put rules into place and not follow them.
1 year ago  ::  Feb 26, 2012 - 11:20AM #19
laurenfrances
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Feb 25, 2012 -- 2:43PM, ninja108 wrote:


 Here's my take again...I think Braun is guilty,guilty,guilty. But at the end of the day,the rules MLB itself put into place weren't followed here. No FedEx or anything else available? Then don't do the test when you know you can't ship it out in 24 hours,which is what the MLB agreed to in the agreement. Throw in the fact the guy apprently skipped two drop spots and you have yourself another rule that wasn't followed.


 Bottom line,if this was a criminal case it would have been thrown out. You don't put rules into place and not follow them.




As synthetic steroids stays in the system for months.  If Braun was so innocent why didn't he agree to retesting?  Braun should reward the inept courier big time for his incompetence.  As with a tribunal determining the outcome, it shouldn't be composed of Player's Union or MLB representative. It should be composed of individuals outside of the baseball community. Have in place a physician, lab specialist expert in drug testing.


Obviously Union will not vote against their players and MLB will side with ownership.  In the end bias will be a factor in any arbitration hearing. Interestingly Selig remain silent with Braun's situation and that speaks volumes.


Braun shouldn't say he's innocence is vindicated.  He should just say..I'm ready to move forward and be done with it.

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 09, 2012 - 10:22AM #20
61in61
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MLB didn't want Braun "caught." I don't believe what happened to that sample was an "accident" or "mistake." Who, in any official capacity, takes evidence home?
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