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1 year ago :: Mar 29, 2012 - 2:38PM #11
ArtVandelay Posts: 10,069	he said seaman... uh huh... huh, huh,huh.... huh, huh....
1 year ago :: Mar 29, 2012 - 2:43PM #12
Celerino Sanchez Posts: 375	Mar 29, 2012 -- 2:06PM, prof. quiz wrote: Mar 29, 2012 -- 1:42PM, Celerino Sanchez wrote: Can you provide a clarification, are you saying that nations that provided national health care, for example Greece, are more advanced than us? Yes, they are more socially advanced than us. Even Cuba beats us in that dept. Technically no one can compete with the US but when it come to our heath care system, corporate money rules the roost not the welfare of the citizenry. When 50 million of us can't afford health care the system is broken. When 900,00 go bankrupt because of health care bills something is amiss. When some smug insurance company bean counter whose responsible to the shareholder, not the patient, calls the shots instead of your doctor the system is broken. Socially more advanced? Hmm so it's socially more advanced when they round up dissenters before a papal visit. Also I'm having a hard time believing about being more socially advanced when people actually risked their lives to leave Cuba but hey medically more advanced, I'll give that to you because I don't know where the Cuban medically standards are compare to the U.S. levels.
1 year ago :: Mar 29, 2012 - 4:18PM #13
MADMAX Posts: 5,807	Mar 29, 2012 -- 1:48PM, newinn wrote: Thanks for posting the article Celerino. The way I read it the founding fathers passed it and there seemed to be very little strong feelings about it one way or the other. Fact is they passed it. Past it or not. I don't expect much from a court that gave us Citizens United. At this point President Obama should offer Medicare for all for those who want it. The rest can keep the health ins. they have now.
1 year ago :: Mar 29, 2012 - 10:11PM #14
MajorYankFan Posts: 6,379	The Heritage Foundation is a right-wing propaganda organization. Like Newinn indicated, the legislation was passed and signed into law by Adams. Unlike the Heritage Foundation, the founding fathers believed in liberty and justice for all, not just for a few very wealthy individuals.
1 year ago :: Mar 30, 2012 - 8:40AM #15
yankeeoldfan Posts: 5,381	Mar 29, 2012 -- 1:05PM, louisiana_lightning wrote: Mar 29, 2012 -- 7:59AM, yankeeoldfan wrote: This healthcare thing is a long ways from perfect, but in the long run there has to be something done about the cost of health in this country.. I will agree that Dr.s need to make some money, but between the hospitals and the Dr,'s they are making too much, way too much.. To have procedures done in this time and age is over the limit, and that's the reason insurance is so high.. It has spiraled out of control, why so the hospitals can put in a complete football field and get their name on the scoreboard ?? They can sponsor an events center so they can get their name on the out side of the building ?? Why in hell do they have to charge so much so they have to get ride of the money they are making.. Boy if a patient can't afford their bill they will take them to court to get the money instead of giving the poor fellow some off his bill.. This is getting way out of hand and I don't care how you look at it something has to change... Nobody likes to hear this but the employer tax exemption and the local laws prohibiting interstate commerce and competition in health insurance are the culprits. We are largely insulated from the real cost of insurance and if we are paying attention can do little about it because of externalities. Rather than further insulate insurers and medical care providers from real market forces and creating more incentive for lobbying and manipulation our endeavors should be to bring the market back to health care. I'm no way sticking up for the insurance companies, but by God, when a procedure that might take a couple hours and a two day stay in the hospital cost two to three times as much as the average family makes in a year, something has to be done.. You really can't blame the insurance companies for raising their premiums.. It's a fact what some of our medical costs are is just plain a joke.. Drs. Dentist, Hospitals are getting filthy rich, it's almost embarrassing what they charge.. One just as well give them a gun because they are holding up the American Citizen every time you walk into their office..
1 year ago :: Mar 30, 2012 - 9:16AM #16
craner7 Posts: 12,762	on that I agree with you YOF 100%
1 year ago :: Mar 30, 2012 - 3:02PM #17
yankeeoldfan Posts: 5,381	Mar 30, 2012 -- 9:16AM, craner7 wrote: on that I agree with you YOF 100% We agree on something, now Craner what the hell can be done ?? It has to start somewhere, all this thinking that just because one politician has a D or and R in front of their name makes them right.. Why, they are all lying through their teeth to us, and yet you, me and the rest of the world believe in them.. I know it's something we can't live without, but no one needs to be as rich as some are in this world, no one !! Yet if you will let yourself stop just for one minute 99% of our problems are because the rich only want one thing and that's to get richer.. Again I don't begrudge anyone of making money, but there has to be a some kind of limit as to just how much money some need to have ?? The medical profession is one of those, health care doesn't need to cost, literally an arm and a leg to afford.. Someplace something has to be done and if our people in government aren't going get something done who is ??
1 year ago :: Apr 01, 2012 - 4:31PM #18
T15D23 Posts: 3,943	Lets see, progressives want us to "progress" from Government can't to Government can. Of course that means we go from the people can to the people can't. As for our health care, we have the greatest hospitals, doctors, advances in science, etc. that any other country envies and their leaders utiliize. Insurance, solution is not government, and if it is, it is to uncuff the insurance industry by waiving governments control over interstate commerce (allowing insurance companies to compete nationally) and a big one... Tort reform. And since Obamacare was passed, insurance rates have doubled and tripled. So, aside from it not being Constitutional, it is a perfect example of goverment can't, shouldn't and come June, won't. Mar 29, 2012 -- 1:29PM, prof. quiz wrote: The Founding Dads did the best they could at the time. Their wisdom set us on the right path. Still, you must progress as a culture or wind up like Afghanistan or Iran. Mired in the Bronze Age with a few fundamentalist religious folks calling the shots while suffocating progressive thought. Every modern industrialized nation understands the basic need for supplying health care to it's citizens. Well, everyone except us! This will eventually change. When he middle class can't afford health care or the insurance premiums something is dramatically wrong and must be fixed. ------------------------- T15D23 - 11/25/03 GBMA - 6/11/04 GBCJ - 6/9/07 God Bless Leo - 10/16/07 God Bless Huck - 11/12/11 God Bless Mom -------------------------
1 year ago :: Apr 01, 2012 - 4:42PM #19
newinn Posts: 13,748	Apr 1, 2012 -- 4:31PM, T15D23 wrote: Lets see, progressives want us to "progress" from Government can't to Government can. Of course that means we go from the people can to the people can't. As for our health care, we have the greatest hospitals, doctors, advances in science, etc. that any other country envies and their leaders utiliize. Insurance, solution is not government, and if it is, it is to uncuff the insurance industry by waiving governments control over interstate commerce (allowing insurance companies to compete nationally) and a big one... Tort reform. And since Obamacare was passed, insurance rates have doubled and tripled. So, aside from it not being Constitutional, it is a perfect example of goverment can't, shouldn't and come June, won't. Mar 29, 2012 -- 1:29PM, prof. quiz wrote: The Founding Dads did the best they could at the time. Their wisdom set us on the right path. Still, you must progress as a culture or wind up like Afghanistan or Iran. Mired in the Bronze Age with a few fundamentalist religious folks calling the shots while suffocating progressive thought. Every modern industrialized nation understands the basic need for supplying health care to it's citizens. Well, everyone except us! This will eventually change. When he middle class can't afford health care or the insurance premiums something is dramatically wrong and must be fixed. So if Obamacare gets overturned, I can expect premiums to be reduced by 1/3 to 1/2?
1 year ago :: Apr 01, 2012 - 5:35PM #20
T15D23 Posts: 3,943	A mess, no? When the law is struck down, what will become of those monies paid on the tanning tax ? (10%). Will they be returned to those who paid them? How? Like a good socialist, chaos has been created and now it will cost all of us money to undo the damage. Apr 1, 2012 -- 4:42PM, newinn wrote: Apr 1, 2012 -- 4:31PM, T15D23 wrote: Lets see, progressives want us to "progress" from Government can't to Government can. Of course that means we go from the people can to the people can't. As for our health care, we have the greatest hospitals, doctors, advances in science, etc. that any other country envies and their leaders utiliize. Insurance, solution is not government, and if it is, it is to uncuff the insurance industry by waiving governments control over interstate commerce (allowing insurance companies to compete nationally) and a big one... Tort reform. And since Obamacare was passed, insurance rates have doubled and tripled. So, aside from it not being Constitutional, it is a perfect example of goverment can't, shouldn't and come June, won't. Mar 29, 2012 -- 1:29PM, prof. quiz wrote: The Founding Dads did the best they could at the time. Their wisdom set us on the right path. Still, you must progress as a culture or wind up like Afghanistan or Iran. Mired in the Bronze Age with a few fundamentalist religious folks calling the shots while suffocating progressive thought. Every modern industrialized nation understands the basic need for supplying health care to it's citizens. Well, everyone except us! This will eventually change. When he middle class can't afford health care or the insurance premiums something is dramatically wrong and must be fixed. So if Obamacare gets overturned, I can expect premiums to be reduced by 1/3 to 1/2? ------------------------- T15D23 - 11/25/03 GBMA - 6/11/04 GBCJ - 6/9/07 God Bless Leo - 10/16/07 God Bless Huck - 11/12/11 God Bless Mom -------------------------