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I'm liking Justin Maxwell
3 years ago  ::  Apr 02, 2012 - 10:29AM #41
BigGuy
Posts: 49,924

Apr 2, 2012 -- 7:23AM, adamreendo wrote:


The Question was.....In order to keep Maxwell......WHO HAS TO GO??


OK.......a few suggestions:


1[ Ibanez....39, going on 40......ridiculous signing....getting $1mm......get rid of him.


2[ Forgive me for this taboo thought but....ENOUGH ALREADY WITH GARDNER!!  He is not and will NEVER be a Yankee corner outfielder......Not sure anyone has noticed but -- He cannot hit!! He is as old or even older than Maxwell and....he belongs on some "Punch and Judy" NL team.....get rid of him.


3[ Get rid of both of them...Ibanez and Gardner.....let Maxwell, Dickerson, Jones and Swisher handle the corner OF duties with Swisher being allowed out there ONLY in an emergency... he is a butcher but he'd be good in the DH role.   Also......not that they would ever DO THIS...but, keep an eye on the Almonte Kid.  Mickey was 19 when they brought him up!!!!!





Don't quit your day job Adam.

This team couldn't score in a whorehouse.
3 years ago  ::  Apr 02, 2012 - 10:36AM #42
BigGuy
Posts: 49,924

Apr 2, 2012 -- 10:08AM, 61in61 wrote:


Apr 2, 2012 -- 9:50AM, newinn wrote:


Apr 2, 2012 -- 9:34AM, adamreendo wrote:


NEW.....well said, Articulate--EVEN..... But wrong. The only reason Maxwell and/or Dickerson have been career "Minor Leaguers" is.....the Yankees have never given either of them a REAL shot.....especially Maxwell.....BECAUSE of Gardner.  And, Even if your Evaluation of them is correct.....Gardner is no better.....please keep the Sabremetrics nonsense in the trash bin......Brett cannot hit. If they want him to be Brett Butlet or Juan Pierre or Scott Posednik.....etc.....then, put him in  CF ...where he belongs and move Granderson to the corner.


Finally, if you insist on keeping Gardner ( and it seems Cashman agrees with you).... Then, at least agree Ibanez is a wasted Roster spot. 




Put him in center and Granderson in left? Why? If catcher is not a traditional offensive position, should we have moved Posada to left field? Should Cano be moved to rightfield. I'm surprised you would suggest that kind of move. Makes no sense at all. I don't know the answer to this but have Dickerson and Maxwell been in the Yankees system all along? In other words are the Yankees the team that have kept them down? I actually don't think so but I'm heading to the gym and don't have time to look it up




Maxwell was drafted by the Orioles in 2001 but didn't sign. He was drafted again by the Rangers in 2005 and didn't sign. He finally signed with Washington in 2005. The Yanks got him in a trade in 2011. So, Maxwell has only spent 1 year in the Yankee organization.


Dickerson was drafted by the Yanks in 2000 but didn't sign. He signed with the Reds in 2003. He was traded to the Brewers in 2010. The Brewers traded him to the Yanks in 2011. So, Dickerson has only spent 1 year in the Yankee organization also.


Both of these guys have spent the last 10 years bouncing around the minor leagues. There is no reason to think they will suddenly become All-Stars. At almost 30 years old not many teams will give a career minor leaguer a starting job. If they were 22 I'd say give them a chance.




Exactly, and I like Maxwell.  Neither one of those guys has ever hit enough for average to stick at the ML level.  In Maxwell's case he's never made it to the ML's because of 1 thing, he K's too much.  Great defender with a cannon for arm, good speed, and power.  Everything a player should have, but batting average and OBP.  And that's because of the K's.  I wouldn't mind seeing him in a backup role, but there just doesn't seem to be any room for the guy.  I'm not as high on Dickerson however.  He plays good defense with a good arm and some speed, but again, he doesn't hit much for average or power.  Purely a backup at the ML level.  The only reason he got called up last year was because he was the only lefty outfielder they had at AAA.  I would have taken Maxwell, Golson, or the other guy who's name escapes me ahead of Dickerson.  The nameless guy also led the team in batting and didn't even get a shot. 

This team couldn't score in a whorehouse.
3 years ago  ::  Apr 02, 2012 - 10:42AM #43
LiferYank
Posts: 4,497

Apr 2, 2012 -- 7:23AM, adamreendo wrote:


The Question was.....In order to keep Maxwell......WHO HAS TO GO??


OK.......a few suggestions:


1[ Ibanez....39, going on 40......ridiculous signing....getting $1mm......get rid of him.


2[ Forgive me for this taboo thought but....ENOUGH ALREADY WITH GARDNER!!  He is not and will NEVER be a Yankee corner outfielder......Not sure anyone has noticed but -- He cannot hit!! He is as old or even older than Maxwell and....he belongs on some "Punch and Judy" NL team.....get rid of him.


3[ Get rid of both of them...Ibanez and Gardner.....let Maxwell, Dickerson, Jones and Swisher handle the corner OF duties with Swisher being allowed out there ONLY in an emergency... he is a butcher but he'd be good in the DH role.   Also......not that they would ever DO THIS...but, keep an eye on the Almonte Kid.  Mickey was 19 when they brought him up!!!!!






Gardners value is his defense and speed on the bases. Swisher is not a butcher in the OF. We have had this discussion before. I have shown stats and all you do is spam the same garabage.


What does Mantle have to do with Almonte? Should the Yankees bring up every young OF because of Mantle?



Garnder never blocked Dickerson....


www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/dic...


Nor Maxwell


www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/max...


Have you ever posted on ESPN. You remind me of a certain racebaiter known as "Rosports" over their....




3 years ago  ::  Apr 02, 2012 - 10:45AM #44
dixieyank
Posts: 3,107

Apr 2, 2012 -- 9:34AM, adamreendo wrote:


NEW.....well said, Articulate--EVEN..... But wrong. The only reason Maxwell and/or Dickerson have been career "Minor Leaguers" is.....the Yankees have never given either of them a REAL shot.....especially Maxwell.....BECAUSE of Gardner.  And, Even if your Evaluation of them is correct.....Gardner is no better.....please keep the Sabremetrics nonsense in the trash bin......Brett cannot hit. If they want him to be Brett Butlet or Juan Pierre or Scott Posednik.....etc.....then, put him in  CF ...where he belongs and move Granderson to the corner.


Finally, if you insist on keeping Gardner ( and it seems Cashman agrees with you).... Then, at least agree Ibanez is a wasted Roster spot. 




Mind boggling. LOL


www.baseball-reference.com/


use that site, it will help.

3 years ago  ::  Apr 02, 2012 - 12:51PM #45
adamreendo
Posts: 1,605

It is refreshing to see you characters injecting venom when someone has an idea you disagree with.....as was the case for the past 2 years regarding my advocacy for Jesus Montero.  How many of you have already stepped out on the ledge with the news of Pineda's injury? For the record.....as much as I detest the Yankees' unwillingness to give Jesus a real shot......I think we need to wait a while on which team got the best of that deal.


The Real Shot is clearly the issue now.....as it pertains to Brett Gardner.  How much more data do you Hall of Fame geniuses need to see.....before you accept the fact that.....he cannot hit! Which of you exudes confidence when he comes to bat with 2 outs and runners in scoring position?  That's what I thought. Insults have never deterred the correct idea from seeing the light of day and.....ultimately "taking hold." They certainly won't deter me from painting the True picture on (not so) young BG. Maxwell deserves a chance....and Gardner Should NOT be the blockade to that happening. Triple that for Ibanez.....a mindless acquisition so typical of the Yankees' ultra conservative approach to giving their Minor League guys a chance. I will look forward to reading your responses....both the rude and crude ones that figure to follow this post....and......the ones that arrive "down the road".... Admitting I was right.

3 years ago  ::  Apr 02, 2012 - 1:05PM #46
LiferYank
Posts: 4,497

Apr 2, 2012 -- 12:51PM, adamreendo wrote:


It is refreshing to see you characters injecting venom when someone has an idea you disagree with.....as was the case for the past 2 years regarding my advocacy for Jesus Montero.  How many of you have already stepped out on the ledge with the news of Pineda's injury? For the record.....as much as I detest the Yankees' unwillingness to give Jesus a real shot......I think we need to wait a while on which team got the best of that deal.


The Real Shot is clearly the issue now.....as it pertains to Brett Gardner.  How much more data do you Hall of Fame geniuses need to see.....before you accept the fact that.....he cannot hit! Which of you exudes confidence when he comes to bat with 2 outs and runners in scoring position?  That's what I thought. Insults have never deterred the correct idea from seeing the light of day and.....ultimately "taking hold." They certainly won't deter me from painting the True picture on (not so) young BG. Maxwell deserves a chance....and Gardner Should NOT be the blockade to that happening. Triple that for Ibanez.....a mindless acquisition so typical of the Yankees' ultra conservative approach to giving their Minor League guys a chance. I will look forward to reading your responses....both the rude and crude ones that figure to follow this post....and......the ones that arrive "down the road".... Admitting I was right.





You do know Maxwell has hit a massive .201 for his ML Career right?


Then there are his minor league stats


www.statcorner.com/batter.php?id=452239



3 years ago  ::  Apr 02, 2012 - 1:13PM #47
adamreendo
Posts: 1,605

I believe Maxwell was hitting very well last year until he got hurt. He has also had an excellent ST. His swing is too long....maybe K Long cancorrect that?  He has every other piece....speed....arm....good defensive skills in all 3 OF positioNs.  Hey, if you don't want to dump gardner for him.....Fine. I would do it but....maybe you have a point.....but, Ibanez????  PLEASE!!!!

3 years ago  ::  Apr 02, 2012 - 2:43PM #48
78Bombers
Posts: 2,662

Apr 2, 2012 -- 1:05PM, LiferYank wrote:


Apr 2, 2012 -- 12:51PM, adamreendo wrote:


It is refreshing to see you characters injecting venom when someone has an idea you disagree with.....as was the case for the past 2 years regarding my advocacy for Jesus Montero.  How many of you have already stepped out on the ledge with the news of Pineda's injury? For the record.....as much as I detest the Yankees' unwillingness to give Jesus a real shot......I think we need to wait a while on which team got the best of that deal.


The Real Shot is clearly the issue now.....as it pertains to Brett Gardner.  How much more data do you Hall of Fame geniuses need to see.....before you accept the fact that.....he cannot hit! Which of you exudes confidence when he comes to bat with 2 outs and runners in scoring position?  That's what I thought. Insults have never deterred the correct idea from seeing the light of day and.....ultimately "taking hold." They certainly won't deter me from painting the True picture on (not so) young BG. Maxwell deserves a chance....and Gardner Should NOT be the blockade to that happening. Triple that for Ibanez.....a mindless acquisition so typical of the Yankees' ultra conservative approach to giving their Minor League guys a chance. I will look forward to reading your responses....both the rude and crude ones that figure to follow this post....and......the ones that arrive "down the road".... Admitting I was right.




You do know Maxwell has hit a massive .201 for his ML Career right?


Then there are his minor league stats


www.statcorner.com/batter.php?id=452239






Looking at his stats what jumps out at me is...whenever Washington brought Maxwell up to the bigs he failed...


Maxwell's Major League numbers


2007 age 23 - 26 ab 8 k's 2 hrs


2009 age 25 - 89 ab 32 k's 4 hrs


2010 age 26 - 104 ab 43 k's 3 hrs


After that the Washington Nats figured they saw enough of Maxwell and moved on.  Now why would they do this?  In 219 ML ab Maxwell k's 83 times So for his major league career- nearly 4 times out of 10 the guy strikes out.  At the same time he hits 9 hr's in 219 ab.  In other words Maxwell hits hr's at a rate of one every 24 abs while stiking out 9 times.  He never hits for average on any level, has a so-so obp...now why you may ask is that the case?  It's because Maxwell doesn't get base hits either...the most hits in his minor league care were 93 and he never hits in the majors.  Most of the time he gets 60 hits a season. 


It's important to use stats to back up your baseball opinion and arguments...








3 years ago  ::  Apr 02, 2012 - 3:00PM #49
luvdayanks
Posts: 15,150

Apr 2, 2012 -- 10:29AM, BigGuy wrote:


Apr 2, 2012 -- 7:23AM, adamreendo wrote:


The Question was.....In order to keep Maxwell......WHO HAS TO GO??


OK.......a few suggestions:


1[ Ibanez....39, going on 40......ridiculous signing....getting $1mm......get rid of him.


2[ Forgive me for this taboo thought but....ENOUGH ALREADY WITH GARDNER!!  He is not and will NEVER be a Yankee corner outfielder......Not sure anyone has noticed but -- He cannot hit!! He is as old or even older than Maxwell and....he belongs on some "Punch and Judy" NL team.....get rid of him.


3[ Get rid of both of them...Ibanez and Gardner.....let Maxwell, Dickerson, Jones and Swisher handle the corner OF duties with Swisher being allowed out there ONLY in an emergency... he is a butcher but he'd be good in the DH role.   Also......not that they would ever DO THIS...but, keep an eye on the Almonte Kid.  Mickey was 19 when they brought him up!!!!!





Don't quit your day job Adam.




If he has one!

3 years ago  ::  Apr 02, 2012 - 8:56PM #50
vanloan79
Posts: 56

Although I like Maxwell and would like to keep him, I'm certainly not going to drop a productive player like Gardner.  Gardner's defense is incredible, his base stealing ability is exceptional, and he's able to get on base, and score runs.  That's far more than Maxwell has proven.  If Maxwell hadn't hurt his shoulder last year, maybe we could have given him another shot.  Right now I think we can only hope that another team doesn't grab him and we can keep him as insurance.  If he's made adjustments and starts to tear up AAA, than we can revisit the issue.  By tearing up AAA I mean hitting for average and cutting his K's in half atleast.      

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