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Hughes , how long of a rope does he get ?

1 year ago :: Apr 15, 2012 - 11:17AM #11
laurenfrances Posts: 14,879	Apr 15, 2012 -- 10:48AM, BillyTheKid wrote: Apr 15, 2012 -- 10:35AM, laurenfrances wrote: MaCarver seem to suggest....batters recognize and layoff that pitch that come out of his hand as a strike as it darts out of the strike zone upon delivery. Isn't he tipping his pitches when batters see it coming? I listened to the game on the radio, Waldman said the same thing, she said is cutter was darting out of the strike zone, so the Angel hitters recognized the rotation of the cutter, they were not swinging at it. Suzyn was saying this before the Angels got on the board. Hughes also threw too many pitches in the first inning. As with all pitchers, Hughes need to get ahead hitters and then finish them off. Rothchild needs to work with Hughes to hide his pitches. If he can't hide it, it's time to ditch the cutter. Being able to reconize that cutter is not good execution. Even with being ahead of the count, he just can't seem to finish them off thus his pitch count soars. Always proud to be a Yankee fan.
1 year ago :: Apr 15, 2012 - 11:55AM #12
BillyTheKid Posts: 4,335	Apr 15, 2012 -- 11:17AM, laurenfrances wrote: Apr 15, 2012 -- 10:48AM, BillyTheKid wrote: Apr 15, 2012 -- 10:35AM, laurenfrances wrote: MaCarver seem to suggest....batters recognize and layoff that pitch that come out of his hand as a strike as it darts out of the strike zone upon delivery. Isn't he tipping his pitches when batters see it coming? I listened to the game on the radio, Waldman said the same thing, she said is cutter was darting out of the strike zone, so the Angel hitters recognized the rotation of the cutter, they were not swinging at it. Suzyn was saying this before the Angels got on the board. Hughes also threw too many pitches in the first inning. As with all pitchers, Hughes need to get ahead hitters and then finish them off. Rothchild needs to work with Hughes to hide his pitches. If he can't hide it, it's time to ditch the cutter. Being able to reconize that cutter is not good execution. Even with being ahead of the count, he just can't seem to finish them off thus his pitch count soars. Either Hughes gets his act together or Andy takes his rotation spot. It is a win/win situation.
1 year ago :: Apr 15, 2012 - 12:03PM #13
Stratocaster Posts: 6,405	Apr 15, 2012 -- 11:17AM, laurenfrances wrote: Apr 15, 2012 -- 10:48AM, BillyTheKid wrote: Apr 15, 2012 -- 10:35AM, laurenfrances wrote: MaCarver seem to suggest....batters recognize and layoff that pitch that come out of his hand as a strike as it darts out of the strike zone upon delivery. Isn't he tipping his pitches when batters see it coming? I listened to the game on the radio, Waldman said the same thing, she said is cutter was darting out of the strike zone, so the Angel hitters recognized the rotation of the cutter, they were not swinging at it. Suzyn was saying this before the Angels got on the board. Hughes also threw too many pitches in the first inning. As with all pitchers, Hughes need to get ahead hitters and then finish them off. Rothchild needs to work with Hughes to hide his pitches. If he can't hide it, it's time to ditch the cutter. Being able to reconize that cutter is not good execution. Even with being ahead of the count, he just can't seem to finish them off thus his pitch count soars. I'm not sure it's the cutter that's doing that. I think it's more that really tight curveball that he throws that darts a little too early and ends up out of the zone... often by quite a bit. Hitters seem to be able to lay off that one. "Tipping" pitches usually means (to me) that a pitcher gives away the pitch through his windup or delivery etc. It seems to me that its not that he's tipping the pitch, but that the rotation and early darting of that pitch is just very recognizable too early as different. Good hitters seem to be able to lay off that pitch and let it go. I don't know, I'm certainly no expert. Just a feeling I get based on what I'm seeing and hearing.
1 year ago :: Apr 15, 2012 - 12:14PM #14
yank0428 Posts: 3,947	His big problem yesterday IMO was location which is huge.His velocity is back to where it was but it doesn't matter if he can't put it where it needs to be. It looked to me like he was getting frustrated and some pitches he just took the ball and threw it. No leg drive at all. Two starts in and that many pitches thrown in so few innings. Very bad sign. He better turn it around soon or no question he is headed for the bullpen or worse. Does he have any options left? Have to love what Phelps has shown. Great location , nice breaking ball and a moving fastball. Very poised and just gets the ball and is ready to go.So far so good. I love what I have seen from him.
1 year ago :: Apr 15, 2012 - 12:20PM #15
laurenfrances Posts: 14,879	Apr 15, 2012 -- 12:03PM, Stratocaster wrote: Apr 15, 2012 -- 11:17AM, laurenfrances wrote: Apr 15, 2012 -- 10:48AM, BillyTheKid wrote: Apr 15, 2012 -- 10:35AM, laurenfrances wrote: MaCarver seem to suggest....batters recognize and layoff that pitch that come out of his hand as a strike as it darts out of the strike zone upon delivery. Isn't he tipping his pitches when batters see it coming? I listened to the game on the radio, Waldman said the same thing, she said is cutter was darting out of the strike zone, so the Angel hitters recognized the rotation of the cutter, they were not swinging at it. Suzyn was saying this before the Angels got on the board. Hughes also threw too many pitches in the first inning. As with all pitchers, Hughes need to get ahead hitters and then finish them off. Rothchild needs to work with Hughes to hide his pitches. If he can't hide it, it's time to ditch the cutter. Being able to reconize that cutter is not good execution. Even with being ahead of the count, he just can't seem to finish them off thus his pitch count soars. I'm not sure it's the cutter that's doing that. I think it's more that really tight curveball that he throws that darts a little too early and ends up out of the zone... often by quite a bit. Hitters seem to be able to lay off that one. "Tipping" pitches usually means (to me) that a pitcher gives away the pitch through his windup or delivery etc. It seems to me that its not that he's tipping the pitch, but that the rotation and early darting of that pitch is just very recognizable too early as different. Good hitters seem to be able to lay off that pitch and let it go. I don't know, I'm certainly no expert. Just a feeling I get based on what I'm seeing and hearing. I don't recall what pitch MaCarver was referring to...... As good as that curveball is, if it's that reconizable Hughes should not be throwing it to hitters who from the start is able to lay off it. If he doesn't have other weapons to draw from, then he's in trouble. Always proud to be a Yankee fan.
1 year ago :: Apr 15, 2012 - 12:26PM #16
laurenfrances Posts: 14,879	Apr 15, 2012 -- 12:14PM, yank0428 wrote: His big problem yesterday IMO was location which is huge.His velocity is back to where it was but it doesn't matter if he can't put it where it needs to be. It looked to me like he was getting frustrated and some pitches he just took the ball and threw it. No leg drive at all. Two starts in and that many pitches thrown in so few innings. Very bad sign. He better turn it around soon or no question he is headed for the bullpen or worse. Does he have any options left? Have to love what Phelps has shown. Great location , nice breaking ball and a moving fastball. Very poised and just gets the ball and is ready to go.So far so good. I love what I have seen from him. As Phelps is new, the book is not out on him yet. Lets see how effective he can be in the weeks ahead. From his initial outings, he certainly look good as he delivered many Ks. Always proud to be a Yankee fan.
1 year ago :: Apr 15, 2012 - 12:29PM #17
yank0428 Posts: 3,947	I remember his 1st start ever against Texas when he pulled his hamstring late in the game. I was so impressed with him. Great location , good stuff, changing speeds. They had no clue. He made Tex and the rest of their hitters look foolish. Maybe hitters would have adapted to that pitcher but even after that when he was good I never really saw that same pitcher. Maybe he changed his mechanics worried about his pushoff causing injury. Just guessing here but he is lost right now.Just a thrower.
1 year ago :: Apr 15, 2012 - 12:52PM #18
nwfire176 Posts: 5,955	When Andy is ready, Hughes leaves the rotation as it stands now if he doesn't improve. He will get until that point to improve. The thing y'all won't like to hear is that it will likely mean that Phelps gets sent back to AAA as Hughes has no options. It's no secret why Hughes in consecutive years now has been effective in the spring... he knows that it doesn't matter how long he goes, just like when he was effective in relief. If you put Phil in a 1 or 2 inning situation, I'm fairly certain he'll be good. As far as tipping his pitches, I don't see it. First, a hitter should be able to pick out even the best curve as it leaves the hand, so that isn't at issue. The fastball v. cutter, that could be an issue, especially if it's a consistent change of arm angles. With that said though, I don't think he's suddenly tipping his pitches in April and wasn't doing it in March.
1 year ago :: Apr 15, 2012 - 1:29PM #19
Yankeeloon Posts: 8,118	Hughes does have options.
1 year ago :: Apr 15, 2012 - 1:34PM #20
nwfire176 Posts: 5,955	Apr 15, 2012 -- 1:29PM, Yankeeloon wrote: Hughes does have options. Hughes most certainly does not. We went through this conversation 2 years ago and they used his last option then.