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Apr 26, 2012 -- 12:08PM, yank0428 wrote:

Apr 26, 2012 -- 10:38AM, bomberhojoe wrote:

Darvish's salary is $10 million per, but you need to add in another $8.5 million per year for the fee paid to his old club.  So he really cost the Rangers $18.5 million per year.  He may turn out to be worth it, we will see in time.  3/4 starts does not prove anything yet.  As for the Arod deal, I think most if not all agree that was a horrible decision, made by a owner, not a baseball mind in a rash move.  And that move is giving many of us a rash.

Bomber the bid doesn't count as payroll so it doesn't count IMO.If Texas could afford a 51 million post so could the Yanks. I don't see how Darvish from watching him pitch the other night isn't a steal at 10 mill a year. The only thing I would be worried about is that now he pitches more the once a week. If this wasn't about Hal's budget and came back to getting burned from the Igawa signing then that is evem dumber. My Grandmother could tell who was the real deal between Darvish and Igawa. It's like compareing a stud horse to a donkey.

It's not payroll, but its still $112 million over 6 years total cost.  The one thing I don't know, perhaps someon else can enlighten me, does the posting fee count against the luxury tax? 

Apr 26, 2012 -- 1:31PM, yank0428 wrote:

Apr 26, 2012 -- 12:50PM, bomberhojoe wrote:

Apr 26, 2012 -- 12:08PM, yank0428 wrote:

Apr 26, 2012 -- 10:38AM, bomberhojoe wrote:

Darvish's salary is $10 million per, but you need to add in another $8.5 million per year for the fee paid to his old club.  So he really cost the Rangers $18.5 million per year.  He may turn out to be worth it, we will see in time.  3/4 starts does not prove anything yet.  As for the Arod deal, I think most if not all agree that was a horrible decision, made by a owner, not a baseball mind in a rash move.  And that move is giving many of us a rash.

Bomber the bid doesn't count as payroll so it doesn't count IMO.If Texas could afford a 51 million post so could the Yanks. I don't see how Darvish from watching him pitch the other night isn't a steal at 10 mill a year. The only thing I would be worried about is that now he pitches more the once a week. If this wasn't about Hal's budget and came back to getting burned from the Igawa signing then that is evem dumber. My Grandmother could tell who was the real deal between Darvish and Igawa. It's like compareing a stud horse to a donkey.

It's not payroll, but its still $112 million over 6 years total cost.  The one thing I don't know, perhaps someon else can enlighten me, does the posting fee count against the luxury tax? 

I don't think so , it's a one time fee. When Boston signed DiceK I don't remember it counting.  

You're correct, it does not count against the luxury tax.

Apr 26, 2012 -- 1:33PM, luvdayanks wrote:

Apr 26, 2012 -- 1:31PM, yank0428 wrote:

Apr 26, 2012 -- 12:50PM, bomberhojoe wrote:

Apr 26, 2012 -- 12:08PM, yank0428 wrote:

Apr 26, 2012 -- 10:38AM, bomberhojoe wrote:

Darvish's salary is $10 million per, but you need to add in another $8.5 million per year for the fee paid to his old club.  So he really cost the Rangers $18.5 million per year.  He may turn out to be worth it, we will see in time.  3/4 starts does not prove anything yet.  As for the Arod deal, I think most if not all agree that was a horrible decision, made by a owner, not a baseball mind in a rash move.  And that move is giving many of us a rash.

Bomber the bid doesn't count as payroll so it doesn't count IMO.If Texas could afford a 51 million post so could the Yanks. I don't see how Darvish from watching him pitch the other night isn't a steal at 10 mill a year. The only thing I would be worried about is that now he pitches more the once a week. If this wasn't about Hal's budget and came back to getting burned from the Igawa signing then that is evem dumber. My Grandmother could tell who was the real deal between Darvish and Igawa. It's like compareing a stud horse to a donkey.

It's not payroll, but its still $112 million over 6 years total cost.  The one thing I don't know, perhaps someon else can enlighten me, does the posting fee count against the luxury tax? 

I don't think so , it's a one time fee. When Boston signed DiceK I don't remember it counting.  

You're correct, it does not count against the luxury tax.

luv/yank0428, thanks for the info.  I didnt think it counted, but was not sure. 

I still say, if you are paying $51 million for the right to sign a guy, he's costing you that $51 million.  But hey, whats $51 mill between friends.

A day after the news re: Pineda, I think the most logical explanation is this: there was a slight, undetectable tear (or something else wrong) that Seattle didn't know about and therefore wasn't trying to pedal us "damaged goods."  I do think, however, that common sense saw a guy who'se production serioulsly dipped, had a big innings increase, which probably led to some "concern."  When Cashman called (or was called), he did his due dilligence, but for whatever reason, eighter didn't see the red flags or felt comfortable with the doctor's exam to make the trade.  In retrospect, those flags are now glaring.  I was so-so about the trade to begin with, not because I didn't think the Yanks should trade Montero but becasue I would've preferred a more established pitcher than someone who had one good half and then dropped off.  Any trade is a chance, I know, but I wasn't thrilled with this one.  Can't complain now because Pineda is injured, which would only serve to reinforce the obvious.  Unfortunately for Cashman, this is yet another pitcher who doesn't appear to be working out (*note: I said "appear."  Pineda could come back in the second half of '13 and be lights out.  Put me in the camp, though, as not believing that will be the case).  Given his Cashman's history of suspect pitching moves, he is going to be questioned, right or wrong.

Apr 26, 2012 -- 2:19PM, kingj wrote:

A day after the news re: Pineda, I think the most logical explanation is this: there was a slight, undetectable tear (or something else wrong) that Seattle didn't know about and therefore wasn't trying to pedal us "damaged goods."  I do think, however, that common sense saw a guy who'se production serioulsly dipped, had a big innings increase, which probably led to some "concern."  When Cashman called (or was called), he did his due dilligence, but for whatever reason, eighter didn't see the red flags or felt comfortable with the doctor's exam to make the trade.  In retrospect, those flags are now glaring.  I was so-so about the trade to begin with, not because I didn't think the Yanks should trade Montero but becasue I would've preferred a more established pitcher than someone who had one good half and then dropped off.  Any trade is a chance, I know, but I wasn't thrilled with this one.  Can't complain now because Pineda is injured, which would only serve to reinforce the obvious.  Unfortunately for Cashman, this is yet another pitcher who doesn't appear to be working out (*note: I said "appear."  Pineda could come back in the second half of '13 and be lights out.  Put me in the camp, though, as not believing that will be the case).  Given his Cashman's history of suspect pitching moves, he is going to be questioned, right or wrong.

The Yanks have had a habit the last few years of paying big money for pitchers who have had one or two good seasons. Pavano had one good season with Florida, Burnett with Toronto, Vazquez and Farnsworth with Atlanta. Paul Quantrill is another pitcher who was doing great with the Dodgers in 2003 and came over to the Yanks and bombed.