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Apr 28, 2012 -- 11:27AM, 61in61 wrote:

Apr 28, 2012 -- 11:18AM, laurenfrances wrote:

Apr 28, 2012 -- 11:03AM, 61in61 wrote:

Cashman should be fired. He screwed up.

That's a bit harsh if you ask me.  Certainly trading Montero for an young power arm is reasonable as the need for DH for our Yankees is built in. With what's available most fans at the time thought it was a good trade for both sides.  Unfortunately, presently it didn't pan out for our Yankees.  As with pitchers, higher risk are always involved.  

Like many fans here, I'm also disappointed.  Facts remain Pineda is on the shelf for the coming year.  Time to focus on the season at hand.  No use crying for what we don't have....

He made a mistake. No second chances with something of this magnitude. Cashman has a long track record of signing/trading for lousy pitchers. This should be the last straw.

61.... Are you serious? I can't tell.... Nobody's happy about this situation but c'mon. Everyone on this board was signing Cashman's praises for making that trade. You think Cashman knew Pineda was going to be injured.

Apr 28, 2012 -- 11:03AM, 61in61 wrote:

Cashman should be fired. He screwed up.

C'mon man. Anytime you trade for someone or sign a free agent, especially a pitcher, you're taking a chance. At the time, I was stunned that Seattle would trade Pineda.

NC...

Randy Johnson was a lust of King George.

Circumstances around the others...

Kevin Brown was part of a needed overhaul as we lost 3/5 of our rotation in 2003 (Clemens retired, Wells was let go and Pettitte was not offered anything).

Pavano was being chased by everyone and no one expected him to dog his profession the way he did.

Vazquez v1, that as well was a rebuilding of the rotation 2003.

Wright, came off a 15-8, 3.28 ERA season when we got him.

AJ was a head scratcher, mostly for length and amount of contract, but he as well was coming off a career season and in the AL East.

Hughes, Kennedy & Joba were all overhyped.

Hughes, could still perform, but probably needs a location change.

Kennedy had no heart for NY and the NL has treated him well.

Chamberlain, ticking time bomb and a thrower not a starter.

Not everything turns out well, but over the course of the past 10 seasons, we got some contribution out of the above, but not as much as we would all would have liked.

Thankfully, CC is almost 90% there, and Garcia & Colon 2011 were smart moves. Nova is working out. And Pettitte will soon be back.

But pitching in general is an issue for many teams and the pressure to perform in NY appears paralizing to some.

As for Pineda, can't predict this stuff. Montero was a spare part at best as we don't need a DH and he couldn't catch. Lets hope we see a return at some point with Pineda.

Apr 25, 2012 -- 1:00PM, fatgiambi wrote:

his decisions on pitchers have been more than questionable. everyone must admit. 

jaret wright, carl pavano, vasquez, trading for randy johnson, trading kennedy and keeping chamberlain and hughes, not signing darvish, kevin brown, aj burnett. 

ive always like cash's pitching centric and youth focused approach but we have to be honest, our organization's evaluation of pitching is brutal. alot of it does have to do with the fact that it seems pitchers have a much harder time performing here. 

Apr 28, 2012 -- 6:48PM, AJFreeway wrote:

Apr 26, 2012 -- 10:38AM, bomberhojoe wrote:

Darvish's salary is $10 million per, but you need to add in another $8.5 million per year for the fee paid to his old club.  So he really cost the Rangers $18.5 million per year.  He may turn out to be worth it, we will see in time.  3/4 starts does not prove anything yet.  As for the Arod deal, I think most if not all agree that was a horrible decision, made by a owner, not a baseball mind in a rash move.  And that move is giving many of us a rash.

Bomber, the important thing to remember is the posting fee for Darvish doesn't count against the team's payroll. that $51 million essentially becomes a moot point when you consider the Steinbrenners make more than that while they are on the crapper.

You're right that posting fee is not going against the payroll budget, but it sure as hell isn't coming out of petty cash either.  It has to come from somewhere.  I really think if they weren't burnt so badly with Igawa they may have taken a chance on Darvish.  With the Yankees luck though the guy would have blown his arm out too.