Apr 29, 2012 -- 10:01AM, AceMitchell wrote:

Apr 28, 2012 -- 6:46PM, T15D23 wrote:

Randy Johnson was a lust of King George.

Circumstances around the others...

Kevin Brown was part of a needed overhaul as we lost 3/5 of our rotation in 2003 (Clemens retired, Wells was let go and Pettitte was not offered anything).

Pavano was being chased by everyone and no one expected him to dog his profession the way he did.

Vazquez v1, that as well was a rebuilding of the rotation 2003.

Wright, came off a 15-8, 3.28 ERA season when we got him.

AJ was a head scratcher, mostly for length and amount of contract, but he as well was coming off a career season and in the AL East.

Hughes, Kennedy & Joba were all overhyped.

Hughes, could still perform, but probably needs a location change.

Kennedy had no heart for NY and the NL has treated him well.

Chamberlain, ticking time bomb and a thrower not a starter.

Not everything turns out well, but over the course of the past 10 seasons, we got some contribution out of the above, but not as much as we would all would have liked.

Thankfully, CC is almost 90% there, and Garcia & Colon 2011 were smart moves. Nova is working out. And Pettitte will soon be back.

But pitching in general is an issue for many teams and the pressure to perform in NY appears paralizing to some.

As for Pineda, can't predict this stuff. Montero was a spare part at best as we don't need a DH and he couldn't catch. Lets hope we see a return at some point with Pineda.

Apr 25, 2012 -- 1:00PM, fatgiambi wrote:

his decisions on pitchers have been more than questionable. everyone must admit. 

jaret wright, carl pavano, vasquez, trading for randy johnson, trading kennedy and keeping chamberlain and hughes, not signing darvish, kevin brown, aj burnett. 

ive always like cash's pitching centric and youth focused approach but we have to be honest, our organization's evaluation of pitching is brutal. alot of it does have to do with the fact that it seems pitchers have a much harder time performing here. 

But yet he's catching games for the Ms.

When this trade was made the Seattle GM said if the kid doesn't end up as their future catcher then it was not a good deal for them.  You can always find a DH.  They'll catch him about 40 games this year just like the Yankees would have.  This came down to getting a possible top of the rotation guy for a kid they deep down didn't think was going to be their everyday catcher, despite the bull they were hyping. Of course given a couple years to break in slowly he may have ended up behind the plate although not very good defensively.  But over the years the Yankees have won a ton of championship with questionable defense behind the plate. 

With that multi-century contract they handed Arod they knew he would have to be the DH in the near future and that made Montero expendable. Romine's back issues have only complicated the matter for them catching-wise.  Now they're forced to either bring Martin back or somebody else for the next few years.  I watched Gary Sanchez in a 4 game series this week down in Low A and he's already better than Montero behind the plate, and he's can flat out hit too.  Unfortunately, he's probably at least 3 years away.

Apr 25, 2012 -- 11:03AM, luvdayanks wrote:

Apr 25, 2012 -- 10:19AM, crod wrote:

This idiot Cashman has run is luck out. He knows nothing about pitching. He's made some bad pitching decisions. Vazquez over Schilling, Vazquez again, Pavano, Burnett, and now trading Montero for an injured pitcher. On top of that, we should've made a real bid on Yu Darvish. Darivsh is an ace in the making. I told you that in the winter. We traded Montero for an injured pitcher, who may need surgery. It's going to be another first round exit again this year. We cannot beat Texas or Detroit. We may not even beat the Angels with their starting pitching.

 Note to everyone, please do not respond to this idiot and feed him.!!!!!

I'D BE GLAD TO RESPOND TO THIS "IDIOT" AS YOU CALL HIM.  HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.  I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS;  CASHMAN'S GOT TO GO.  HE'S A TWERP WHO STRUTS AROUND THINKING HE KNOWS BASEBALL, SPEAKING IN INTERVIEWS LIKE HE'S THE FIRST AND LAST WORD FOR THE TEAM, AND ALL HE KNOWS IS .  HE HIMSELF SAID HE WAS NOT A GOOD EVALUATOR OF TALENT. AND WHILE WE'RE AT IT, LET'S DUMP THAT DO-NOTHING BATTING COACH LONG AND REPLACE HIM WITH DENBO.  ALL I SEE LONG DO IS SIT IN THE DUGOUT CHOMPING ON GUM WITH THAT STUPID SMIRK ON HIS FACE--I'D BE SMIRKING TOO IF I WAS PULLING A NICE PAYCHECK FOR DOING NOTHING.  JETER USED DENBO TO HELP HIM, AND HELP HE GOT.  THE ENTIRE OFFENSE ON A TEAM DOES NOT GO INTO A SLUMP ALL AT ONCE.  LONG IS SIMPLY NOT EFFECTIVE AND HAS BEEN HERE  --PARDON THE PUN-- WAY TOO LONG.

May 5, 2012 -- 10:50PM, YANKSALWAYS wrote:

Apr 25, 2012 -- 11:03AM, luvdayanks wrote:

Apr 25, 2012 -- 10:19AM, crod wrote:

This idiot Cashman has run is luck out. He knows nothing about pitching. He's made some bad pitching decisions. Vazquez over Schilling, Vazquez again, Pavano, Burnett, and now trading Montero for an injured pitcher. On top of that, we should've made a real bid on Yu Darvish. Darivsh is an ace in the making. I told you that in the winter. We traded Montero for an injured pitcher, who may need surgery. It's going to be another first round exit again this year. We cannot beat Texas or Detroit. We may not even beat the Angels with their starting pitching.

 Note to everyone, please do not respond to this idiot and feed him.!!!!!

I'D BE GLAD TO RESPOND TO THIS "IDIOT" AS YOU CALL HIM.  HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.  I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS;  CASHMAN'S GOT TO GO.  HE'S A TWERP WHO STRUTS AROUND THINKING HE KNOWS BASEBALL, SPEAKING IN INTERVIEWS LIKE HE'S THE FIRST AND LAST WORD FOR THE TEAM, AND ALL HE KNOWS IS . AND WHILE WE'RE AT IT, LET'S DUMP THAT DO-NOTHING BATTING COACH LONG AND REPLACE HIM WITH DENBO.  ALL I SEE LONG DO IS SIT IN THE DUGOUT CHOMPING ON GUM WITH THAT STUPID SMIRK ON HIS FACE--I'D BE SMIRKING TOO IF I WAS PULLING A NICE PAYCHECK FOR DOING NOTHING.  JETER USED DENBO TO HELP HIM, AND HELP HE GOT.  THE ENTIRE OFFENSE ON A TEAM DOES NOT GO INTO A SLUMP ALL AT ONCE.  LONG IS SIMPLY NOT EFFECTIVE AND HAS BEEN HERE  --PARDON THE PUN-- WAY TOO LONG.

This is not my thread, why do you have it under my name?

You probably left a quote train open at some point. No big deal.

Apr 28, 2012 -- 3:15PM, 61in61 wrote:

Every year since 2002 we have to go through this crap. In 2003 it was Weaver and a bunch of malcontents like Felix Heredia and Armando Benetiz and Juan Aceveda;in 2004 it was Vazquez and Brown and Loiza and Karsay and Nitkowski; in 2005 it was Pavano and Wright and Buddy Groom and Alan Embree and Tim Redding; in 2006 it was Ron Villone, Farnsworth, Dotel, Ponson and Shawn Chacon; in 2007 it was Kei Igawa and Clemens at age 44; in 2008 it was Sidney Ponson again and Darrell Rasner and Latroy Hawkins and Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy.

Andrew Brackman was given a huge deal and had TJ surgery before ever pitching a game for the Yanks. Humberto Sanchez was supposed to be another CC. And then there is Marte and Feliciano.

Cashman has had plenty of chances to put together a starting rotation that didn't have 4 different faces every year.

This a screw up of epic proportions. If you want to call it bad luck then fine. Get somebody that has good luck. If the Godfather sends you on a job you don't come back saying, "I ran into to bad luck."

61,

You have got to be one of the DUMBEST Yankee posters I have ever kept silent about.

You list X number of pitchers since 2002 and try to make it look like a littany of error made by Brian Cashman. If YOU had, 10 year time as Yankee GM, you list would be ten-fold.

All these people who try to make this argument and lists these pitchers....NEVER, NEVER, mention who Cashman should have gotten at the time.

LOL...you read this post, it's a comedy of errors. At the time, who should the Yankees have gotten besides Jeff Weaver? Alan Embree? Carl Pavano? Jared Wright?