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This pitching staff proves why the Pineda/Montero trade was a good trade.

1 year ago :: Apr 26, 2012 - 8:16AM #11
hampfan Posts: 909	Apr 26, 2012 -- 12:04AM, paterson wrote: Michael Pineda went 1 and 4 with an ERA over 5.00 in an expansive ballpark during the 2nd half of 2011. Do you think that might have been a clue that something was not right with him? I don't see how giving up an elite hitting prospect, even if he never develops into more than a reserve catcher, for a questionable pitcher was a good idea. Even if you give all the characters in this sordid act the benefit of the doubt, doesn't it tell us something when he showed up looking like Hideki Irabu for training camp? Yes, the Yankees could use more pitching, but this was a dumb deal! Exactly right. People here keep defending the trade, even Cashman (he'd do it 10 out of 10 times, he says?), but it was really a case of "Cashman's Folly" and sshould be known as such. People here are even knocking Montero's .280 avg and 12 RBIs so far--really? On our team, that would have translated into a more powerful line-up now that A-Rod is sinking like a stone.
1 year ago :: Apr 26, 2012 - 9:07AM #12
luvdayanks Posts: 9,739	Apr 26, 2012 -- 8:00AM, qwik3457bb wrote: Apr 26, 2012 -- 12:04AM, paterson wrote: Michael Pineda went 1 and 4 with an ERA over 5.00 in an expansive ballpark during the 2nd half of 2011. Do you think that might have been a clue that something was not right with him? I don't see how giving up an elite hitting prospect, even if he never develops into more than a reserve catcher, for a questionable pitcher was a good idea. Not really. His peripherals were the same or better through the 2nd half. The 1 and 4 is the Mariners' awful offense as much as him. There was nothing really questionable, and if the results in the 2nd half had been just as good, the Yanks would have had to give up either Banuelos or Betances along with Montero to get him. Qwik, you're going to confuse some of these people with facts. Good job once again.
1 year ago :: Apr 26, 2012 - 9:29AM #13
bomberhojoe Posts: 7,180	Apr 25, 2012 -- 10:25PM, JoeGNJ wrote: Dont give up on Kuroda...and ur right BRJ, there was NO conspiracy! I'm tired of reading all that crap. I agree with you here Joe. In fact and I'll get blasted for this, I could make the argument that he pitched as well if not better than Darvish the other night. Had Granderson not been called out on what was obviously a ball, that inning could have been huge. I know ifs and buts, but I really believe Kuroda was not outpitched by Darvish. John 3:16 * Ephesians 2:8-9 * Romans 10:9-10 * John 14:3-6 * Romans 5:8
1 year ago :: Apr 26, 2012 - 10:14AM #14
61in61 Posts: 12,341	Apr 26, 2012 -- 8:00AM, qwik3457bb wrote: Apr 26, 2012 -- 12:04AM, paterson wrote: Michael Pineda went 1 and 4 with an ERA over 5.00 in an expansive ballpark during the 2nd half of 2011. Do you think that might have been a clue that something was not right with him? I don't see how giving up an elite hitting prospect, even if he never develops into more than a reserve catcher, for a questionable pitcher was a good idea. Not really. His peripherals were the same or better through the 2nd half. The 1 and 4 is the Mariners' awful offense as much as him. There was nothing really questionable, and if the results in the 2nd half had been just as good, the Yanks would have had to give up either Banuelos or Betances along with Montero to get him. Maybe you have some esoteric "peripherals" at your disposal but if you look at the rough numbers he didn't pitch nearly as well the second half. His ERA went from a 2.58 on July 4 to 3.74 at the end of the season. His ERA in the first half 3.03, the second half 5.12. He got hit for 7,5 and 7 runs in a 3 game stretch in mid July. He also gave up 10 homer in 18 starts in the first half compared to 8 homers in 10 games in the second. He wasn't the same pitcher the second half. The second part of your response about giving up Banuelos or Betances is very strange. If, as you say, his peripherals were the same or better then obvioulsy it would indicate that Pineda was the same,if not a better, pitcher the second half as the first, and if the Mariners really believed that then they would have demanded more. The fact that the Mariners didn't demand more indicates they didn't think he was the same pitcher. You can't have it both ways.
1 year ago :: Apr 26, 2012 - 11:35AM #15
slimjim Posts: 25	Talk about scouting pitching talent. The "Killer Bs". Andrew Brackman, out of the organization, Manny B. AAA DL. Betances, more walks than innings, almost killed Cervelli during between inning warm ups on Sunday. Chamberlain, Hughes bad news. Then there is Ian Kennedy the one we let get away. 20-20 hindsight Where does the blame go?
1 year ago :: Apr 26, 2012 - 11:41AM #16
Boardroomjimmy aka Mr. Meebo Posts: 3,297	Apr 26, 2012 -- 11:35AM, slimjim wrote: Where does the blame go? the unpredictable nature that is life. B HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD
1 year ago :: Apr 26, 2012 - 11:48AM #17
bomberhojoe Posts: 7,180	Apr 26, 2012 -- 11:35AM, slimjim wrote: Talk about scouting pitching talent. The "Killer Bs". Andrew Brackman, out of the organization, Manny B. AAA DL. Betances, more walks than innings, almost killed Cervelli during between inning warm ups on Sunday. Chamberlain, Hughes bad news. Then there is Ian Kennedy the one we let get away. 20-20 hindsight Where does the blame go? Almost everyone wanted to trade Kennedy and when the Yankees did, the only complaints I recall were for letting Ajax go. Granderson has been great. John 3:16 * Ephesians 2:8-9 * Romans 10:9-10 * John 14:3-6 * Romans 5:8
1 year ago :: Apr 26, 2012 - 11:52AM #18
ninja108 Posts: 3,651	How about a front office and fanbase that has NO patience whatsoever and wants wins now at all costs,even if it means rushing pitchers and messing with their development?
1 year ago :: Apr 26, 2012 - 12:48PM #19
MADMAX Posts: 5,835	Apr 25, 2012 -- 9:33PM, Boardroomjimmy aka Mr. Meebo wrote: My title is pretty self explanatory. This pitching staff had/has more holes in it then swiss cheese and something needed to be done to solidify it now and in the future. Sure an injury happened and there's all sorts of whack conspiracy theories that pineda wasn't examined thoroughly enough before the trade but the facts are the facts... he was injured during spring trading and at the time it was the right move. On a side note if we all feel the need to get upset any someone within the org. we need to be upset with Hank Steinbrenner. That A-rod contract is a big reason why the yanks are in the situation they are and are going to be. I only disagree for one reason BJ. There were other pitching options out there that wouldn't have cost the Yankees their top hitting prospect.
1 year ago :: Apr 26, 2012 - 1:10PM #20
ArtVandelay Posts: 10,092	Apr 26, 2012 -- 8:00AM, qwik3457bb wrote: Apr 26, 2012 -- 12:04AM, paterson wrote: Michael Pineda went 1 and 4 with an ERA over 5.00 in an expansive ballpark during the 2nd half of 2011. Do you think that might have been a clue that something was not right with him? I don't see how giving up an elite hitting prospect, even if he never develops into more than a reserve catcher, for a questionable pitcher was a good idea. Not really. His peripherals were the same or better through the 2nd half. The 1 and 4 is the Mariners' awful offense as much as him. There was nothing really questionable, and if the results in the 2nd half had been just as good, the Yanks would have had to give up either Banuelos or Betances along with Montero to get him. Cash is saving Betances and Banuelos to trade for Lackey and Brian Wilson...