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This pitching staff proves why the Pineda/Montero trade was a good trade.
1 year ago  ::  Apr 26, 2012 - 1:16PM #21
BigGuy
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Apr 26, 2012 -- 1:10PM, ArtVandelay wrote:


Apr 26, 2012 -- 8:00AM, qwik3457bb wrote:


Apr 26, 2012 -- 12:04AM, paterson wrote:


   Michael Pineda went 1 and 4 with an ERA over 5.00 in an expansive ballpark during the 2nd half of 2011. Do you think that might have been a clue that something was not right with him? I don't see how giving up an elite hitting prospect, even if he never develops into more than a reserve catcher, for a questionable pitcher was a good idea.


 



Not really. His peripherals were the same or better through the 2nd half. The 1 and 4 is the Mariners' awful offense as much as him. There was nothing really questionable, and if the results in the 2nd half had been just as good, the Yanks would have had to give up either Banuelos or Betances along with Montero to get him.





Cash is saving Betances and Banuelos to trade for Lackey and Brian Wilson...




I don't think the Beach Boys will trade Wilson.  You're the President.  Sober up and do something about this !   There's panic in the streets.

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1 year ago  ::  Apr 26, 2012 - 1:16PM #22
JoeGNJ
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Apr 26, 2012 -- 9:29AM, bomberhojoe wrote:


Apr 25, 2012 -- 10:25PM, JoeGNJ wrote:


Dont give up on Kuroda...and ur right BRJ, there was NO conspiracy! I'm tired of reading all that crap.




I agree with you here Joe.  In fact and I'll get blasted for this, I could make the argument that he pitched as well if not better than Darvish the other night.  Had Granderson not been called out on what was obviously a ball, that inning could have been huge.  I know ifs and buts, but I really believe Kuroda was not outpitched by Darvish.




Lets see how his arm holds up throwing all that junk for that many pitches especially when the Texas heat starts cranking!

JoeGNJ
1 year ago  ::  Apr 26, 2012 - 1:18PM #23
JoeGNJ
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Apr 26, 2012 -- 12:48PM, MADMAX wrote:


Apr 25, 2012 -- 9:33PM, Boardroomjimmy aka Mr. Meebo wrote:

My title is pretty self explanatory. This pitching staff had/has more holes in it then swiss cheese and something needed to be done to solidify it now and in the future. Sure an injury happened and there's all sorts of whack conspiracy theories that pineda wasn't examined thoroughly enough before the trade but the facts are the facts... he was injured during spring trading and at the time it was the right move. 


On a side note if we all feel the need to get upset any someone within the org. we need to be upset with Hank Steinbrenner. That A-rod contract is a big reason why the yanks are in the situation they are and are going to be.  




I only disagree for one reason BJ. There were other pitching options out there that wouldn't have cost the Yankees their top hitting prospect.




Montero was never going to catch Max and he'd nevrr be the Yanks FT DH.

JoeGNJ
1 year ago  ::  Apr 26, 2012 - 1:20PM #24
ArtVandelay
Posts: 10,070

Apr 26, 2012 -- 1:16PM, BigGuy wrote:


Apr 26, 2012 -- 1:10PM, ArtVandelay wrote:


Apr 26, 2012 -- 8:00AM, qwik3457bb wrote:


Apr 26, 2012 -- 12:04AM, paterson wrote:


   Michael Pineda went 1 and 4 with an ERA over 5.00 in an expansive ballpark during the 2nd half of 2011. Do you think that might have been a clue that something was not right with him? I don't see how giving up an elite hitting prospect, even if he never develops into more than a reserve catcher, for a questionable pitcher was a good idea.


 



Not really. His peripherals were the same or better through the 2nd half. The 1 and 4 is the Mariners' awful offense as much as him. There was nothing really questionable, and if the results in the 2nd half had been just as good, the Yanks would have had to give up either Banuelos or Betances along with Montero to get him.





Cash is saving Betances and Banuelos to trade for Lackey and Brian Wilson...




I don't think the Beach Boys will trade Wilson.  You're the President.  Sober up and do something about this !   There's panic in the streets.





you may be right about them not letting go of Wilson, he's the last living Wilson in that band...


sober up????  no way man!  it's beer, tequila and Beach Boys music all day here on the YES Boards!!!!



 

1 year ago  ::  Apr 26, 2012 - 1:23PM #25
TheIronHorse
Posts: 838

Apr 26, 2012 -- 5:47AM, Stratocaster wrote:

Apr 25, 2012 -- 11:36PM, TheIronHorse wrote:


Everyone has to stop with the Arod contract. It's ridiculous already. The Arod contract is not what's hurting the Yankees now. In 2 years it could be a different story, but stop lying to yourselves. The guy may need to DH once a week and that's it. There are plenty of at bats at DH to go around.





Don't kid yourself. That contract affects everything the Yankees do. They don't operate in a vacuum.



That contract hasn't detrimentally affected the Yankees at all yet. People just want it to have really badly because they don't like Arod. But that contract isn't the problem at all.

1 year ago  ::  Apr 26, 2012 - 1:37PM #26
MADMAX
Posts: 5,807

Apr 26, 2012 -- 1:18PM, JoeGNJ wrote:


Apr 26, 2012 -- 12:48PM, MADMAX wrote:


Apr 25, 2012 -- 9:33PM, Boardroomjimmy aka Mr. Meebo wrote:

My title is pretty self explanatory. This pitching staff had/has more holes in it then swiss cheese and something needed to be done to solidify it now and in the future. Sure an injury happened and there's all sorts of whack conspiracy theories that pineda wasn't examined thoroughly enough before the trade but the facts are the facts... he was injured during spring trading and at the time it was the right move. 


On a side note if we all feel the need to get upset any someone within the org. we need to be upset with Hank Steinbrenner. That A-rod contract is a big reason why the yanks are in the situation they are and are going to be.  




I only disagree for one reason BJ. There were other pitching options out there that wouldn't have cost the Yankees their top hitting prospect.




Montero was never going to catch Max and he'd nevrr be the Yanks FT DH.





IDK why he couldn't be the FT DH. There's nothing wrong with a young power hitting DH with a cheap contract. As I said in another thread I'm not buying the excuse that the DH needs to be open for Jeter and Arod. There are plenty of at bats to go around.  I had mixed feelings when the trade was made but the more I thought about it the less I liked it.

1 year ago  ::  Apr 26, 2012 - 3:14PM #27
misscamaguey
Posts: 3,612

Last night game made me ill. This team couldn't get to reliever Scott Feldman, who started the game, yet Hughes continues to struggle and Girardi keeps pointing out that he won 18 in 2010 maybe that was an aberration because he has not come near that figure in two years. What are they going to do when Andy arrives? I guess it will be eenie meenie miney mo because I don´t know what other way they will choose between Garcia and Hughes.


Hughes will never be the star they thought they had in the Minor Leagues and the thought that they can possibly start Garcia tomorrow rather than CC is insanity because Verlander doesn't even need to pitch if Garcia is the starter. Two pitchers it´s all we have. Kuroda has not been consistent, lose one, win one, lose and lose, etc although he pitched very well against Darvish, but even 1 run would have been too much to overcome because Darvish was everything they said he was and I think he even tried harder to show the Yanks they made a mistake not bidding for him. Hughes and Phelps were terrible.


The trip to Texas was not a success

1 year ago  ::  Apr 26, 2012 - 3:30PM #28
AceMitchell
Posts: 3,782

Apr 26, 2012 -- 11:41AM, Boardroomjimmy aka Mr. Meebo wrote:


Apr 26, 2012 -- 11:35AM, slimjim wrote:



 


Where does the blame go?


 





the unpredictable nature that is life.




If it was just one or 2 guys sure but there is a pattern developing here

To anyone going through a difficult time right now  remember someone always has it worse.
1 year ago  ::  Apr 28, 2012 - 8:04AM #29
MADMAX
Posts: 5,807

Apr 26, 2012 -- 12:04AM, paterson wrote:


   Michael Pineda went 1 and 4 with an ERA over 5.00 in an expansive ballpark during the 2nd half of 2011. Do you think that might have been a clue that something was not right with him? I don't see how giving up an elite hitting prospect, even if he never develops into more than a reserve catcher, for a questionable pitcher was a good idea.


   Even if you give all the characters in this sordid act the benefit of the doubt, doesn't it tell us something when he showed up looking like Hideki Irabu for training camp? Yes, the Yankees could use more pitching, but this was a dumb deal!





Ron is that you?

1 year ago  ::  Apr 28, 2012 - 9:17AM #30
KILLER
Posts: 153

Montero currently has better #s than the Yankees 3,4 or 5 hitter and he is doing it with absolutely no protection in his line up.  Great move.

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