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Schilling - On Pineda's Surgery

1 year ago :: Apr 27, 2012 - 10:51AM #21
yankeeoldfan Posts: 5,508	Apr 27, 2012 -- 10:05AM, yankeeokie wrote: I want to believe that if Seattle really did tell him to take it easy in off season then that is why he reported so out of shape. I think a little Ivan Nova in his ear might get him motivated to a stellar rehab or just understanding how good results=MONEY. Just a thought ?? Or did they tell him to take it easy because they knew something was wrong ?? That's the only red flag I see waving in the wind ...
1 year ago :: Apr 27, 2012 - 11:11AM #22
yankeeokie Posts: 528	Apr 27, 2012 -- 10:51AM, yankeeoldfan wrote: Apr 27, 2012 -- 10:05AM, yankeeokie wrote: I want to believe that if Seattle really did tell him to take it easy in off season then that is why he reported so out of shape. I think a little Ivan Nova in his ear might get him motivated to a stellar rehab or just understanding how good results=MONEY. Just a thought ?? Or did they tell him to take it easy because they knew something was wrong ?? That's the only red flag I see waving in the wind ... Like Hughes, they knew something was causing the loss in velocity but I don't think they knew exactly what. They hoped rest would fix it like we hoped with Hughes.
1 year ago :: Apr 27, 2012 - 11:15AM #23
yank0428 Posts: 4,077	Apr 27, 2012 -- 8:22AM, laurenfrances wrote: Apr 27, 2012 -- 6:04AM, BigGuy wrote: Apr 26, 2012 -- 11:31PM, JonahFalcon wrote: Anibal Sanchez, Roger Clemens, Kerry Wood, Ted Lilly, and Jeff Francis. (snort) Yeah, each and every one an effective starter for years afterward. Not. Clemens and Schilling were the 2 guys who went on to have great careers, and Smoltz did pretty well have his surgery. Clemens like Pineda had his surgery in his 2nd year. Those other guys were just not as talented and Wood has been hurt his entire career with everything under the sun. I'm not really optimistic about Pineda though. I have to question the guys work ethic if he comes to a new team and is 20 pounds overweight before he even throws a pitch. At this point, the Yankees have to hope that this kid eventually turns out to be a pretty good number 3. I think his top of the order days are probably over. I think his days of hitting 97 are probably over too. I think we're more likely to see the velocity he showed at ST with him topping out with a few 94's a game. That's not bad though with his slider, and if his changeup keeps developing he can still be a pretty good starter. Probably not what the Yankees thought they were getting though. I said at the time of the deal that Campos could end up being the key part for the Yankees in this trade, and I'm sticking to that. "I came back after my surgery, throwing four to six miles harder than I did before," he said. "That is where the magic is. It is all about rehab. Most doctors can make you 100 percent well physically. I would tell you that it is 25 percent about the surgery and 75 percent about the rehab." If Schilling said in the above statement is true...In returning to great form it requires a a tremendous effort in rehab (75 percent). Unless Pineda has great work ethics and dedicated commitment in strengthening his shoulder, his ability to pitch well is not likely to happen. From what we can see, he lacks that work ethic coming to camp poorly conditioned. It'll take a huge effort on his part to change his ways. It remains to be seen if he'll have that strength of commitment. According to Schilling early in his career he needed a wakeup call from Clemens who told him he was wasting his talent . Pineda is young and maybe this is the wakeup call he needs. If he wants it he has to growup and bust it now because he won't be great if he doesn't . No choice. Hope he isn't a lazy dope.
1 year ago :: Apr 27, 2012 - 1:30PM #24
CaptainJeter Posts: 4,560	from river street I can’t help but wonder if the anterior labral tear in Michael Pineda‘s right shoulder could have been avoided had he spoken up sooner about the soreness in camp, but what can you do. When you tell the kid he needs to compete for a rotation spot in Spring Training one year after he made the All-Star Team, you can’t be surprised when you find out he’s been hiding an injury. He’s going to do whatever he has to do to keep his job. People like to assign blame in situations like this, but it really doesn’t help matters any. Blame Brian Cashman, blame the medical staff, blame Pineda, blame the Mariners, blame whoever you want. It won’t make Pineda’s shoulder any healthier. If you think this whole episode is a fireable offense, I won’t disagree with you. I don’t think you can have a trade of this magnitude go sour this quickly without someone being held accountable, I just don’t know who and neither do you. When you boil it all down, the Yankees made the trade for Pineda because they’ve been completely unable to develop their own starting pitchers in recent years. Joba Chamberlain was the team’s best hope for a homegrown ace in quite some time, but he was forced to jump through some mind-numbingly stupid player development hoops. Phil Hughes hasn’t worked out for a number of reasons and Ian Kennedy was traded away before getting an extended audition. The IPK thing doesn’t bother me nearly as much as Joba and Hughes because at least he brought back an MVP-caliber player in the trade. That Ivan Nova has lasted as long as he has is a minor miracle. As far as 2012 is concerned, the trade is a disaster. A complete and unmitigated disaster. The Yankees basically forfeited whatever Jesus Montero and Hector Noesi could have given them and instead won’t get anything out of Pineda or Jose Campos, who is in Low-A. I suppose they could always trade Campos for a big leaguer and extract 2012 value that way, but that’s another matter entirely. Given their recent track record of developing young arms, maybe they should trade him before they ruin him too. Okay, now I’m just trollin’. Anyway, the Yankees made the trade for both short and long-term reasons. They thought Pineda would be a rotation upgrade in the immediate future and an ace-caliber hurler down the line. Pineda came with five years of team control before qualifying for free agency, but now the Yankees are going to get four of those five years in the absolute best case scenario. That means no setbacks, no performance decline, no further injuries, no nothing. One-fifth of their expected return has already been wiped away and they can’t get it back. They’ll be lucky if they only lose that much. Pitchers are inherently risky, but unfortunately you actually need them to win. Good ones too, and Michael Pineda most certainly was very good last year. You don’t strike out a quarter of the batters you face with a 3.15 K/BB ratio because of good luck or because you play in a big home ballpark. I said that I thought the trade was fair on our podcast right after the deal went down, but I also said I would have rather kept Montero. This whole thing just sucks. I feel bad for Pineda as a person, I really do, but I’m also furious that there’s a really good chance the Yankees will get absolutely nothing out of Montero other than those 69 plate appearances last September. Mistakes are unavoidable in baseball, but not all are forgivable. . NOBODY DOES IT BETTER THAN THE NEW YORK YANKEES
1 year ago :: Apr 27, 2012 - 2:32PM #25
GottaGoToMo Posts: 33,463	Apr 26, 2012 -- 7:26PM, ArtVandelay wrote: Apr 26, 2012 -- 7:02PM, BigGuy wrote: _{Schilling had the surgery in}_{1995 when he was 28 years old. Ten months later, after rigorously following the rehab program}_{, Schilling returned in May 1996 and threw seven shutout innings. He went on to throw more than 2,400 additional major league innings and may end up in the Hall of Fame.} the difference here is that Schilling was allowed to go out and pitch... the year he came back he threw 183 innings and that's with missing over a month! if Pineda comes back he'll be babied and I doubt he'll be allowed to throw anywhere near 100 innings his first season back.... just let the guys freakin pitch! their arms can either take the work or they can't.... That's the entire problem with the Yankee coaching staff ... they can't handle letting a pitcher pitch after injury ... and it's quite possible that if you don't let the pitcher pitch enough innings, he won't be able to strengthen his arm, shoulder, whatever!
1 year ago :: Apr 27, 2012 - 2:36PM #26
hall4netls Posts: 951	Why does anyone care what Curt Shilling thinks? With all his money you think he could get a decent suit and do something with his hair GO YANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1 year ago :: Apr 27, 2012 - 2:37PM #27
GottaGoToMo Posts: 33,463	Apr 27, 2012 -- 2:36PM, hall4netls wrote: Why does anyone care what Curt Shilling thinks? With all his money you think he could get a decent suit and do something with his hair +1 (LOL)
1 year ago :: Apr 27, 2012 - 3:37PM #28
BigGuy Posts: 38,621	Some facts behind the Pineda Injury Buster Olney ESPN The explosion of social media has fueled the desire to identify incompetence, to illuminate failure, to expose the cheaters. Within seconds that news broke that Michael Pineda will miss the rest of the year with a labrum tear, Twitter was flooded with theories -- that the New York Yankees blew it, that the Seattle Mariners knew that Pineda was hurt, that there were idiots and schemers. It's worth reviewing some facts: 1. At the time of the deal, the overwhelming majority of rival executives thought this was a great trade for the Yankees. Not a good trade, but a great trade. A lot of the same executives understood the rationale of the Mariners and liked Jesus Montero as a prospect, but they loved the Yankees' end of the trade. 2. The Yankees had full and total access to do medical examinations of Pineda, and they took advantage of it; if you recall, there was a delay in the official announcement of the deal because the players involved had to go through doctors' reviews. Pineda had an MRI on his pitching shoulder, and it came back clean. With a trade of this significance, the Yankees would not have hesitated to blow up the deal if the MRI had revealed a tear. (Keep in mind that the Mariners had blown up a proposed deal of Cliff Lee to the Yankees two years ago because of medical information; the Yankees would not have been shy to do the same.) 3. Pineda was given an MRI at the end of spring training, and again, there was no tear revealed. 4. Then, earlier this week -- after Pineda's rehabilitation outing -- there was a tear. Yankees GM Brian Cashman said at the time of the Pineda trade that there are inherent risks with pitchers, no matter how good they've been. Ask Mark Prior about that or Stephen Strasburg. The Yankees made a trade for an elite young pitcher based on all the information available to them, including full medical reports. Then he got hurt. It happens. The Mariners didn't cheat, the Yankees weren't idiots. It just didn't work out. "Never seen a payroll on a ring" "Leave the gun, take the cannoli "
1 year ago :: Apr 27, 2012 - 3:49PM #29
101wins Posts: 492	Maybe when he comes back Shilling will show him how to decorate his shoulder with catsup and he'll win the WS MVP !
1 year ago :: Apr 27, 2012 - 10:52PM #30
Walton Posts: 1,897	It's a done deal then. Pineda's middle name is "hard work." The guy lives in the gym.