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Schilling - On Pineda's Surgery

1 year ago :: Apr 26, 2012 - 11:07PM #11
Jeff Edwards Posts: 481	Like I said in my thread, the Yankees ignored the warning signs. Yankees= incompetetence. Montero is a stud. Cashman is an idiot. The mariners knew they were trading damaged goods. Anybody who believes differently is naive. Pineda was not officially injured when the trade was made, but the Mariners probably knew it was coming. I would never trade for a pitcher that just got finished sucking in the 2nd half of the season. The risk is just too high, especially for one without a long track record.
1 year ago :: Apr 26, 2012 - 11:31PM #12
JonahFalcon Posts: 14,522	Anibal Sanchez, Roger Clemens, Kerry Wood, Ted Lilly, and Jeff Francis. (snort) Yeah, each and every one an effective starter for years afterward. Not.
1 year ago :: Apr 27, 2012 - 12:10AM #13
AJFreeway Posts: 4,681	Apr 26, 2012 -- 8:32PM, bomberhojoe wrote: Positive words about the Yankees from Schilling???? Schilling is actually one of the few relatively unbiased baseball analysts on ESPN, and he's the only one with any information someone would find useful. "I'm an angel in an Earth suit."
1 year ago :: Apr 27, 2012 - 6:04AM #14
BigGuy Posts: 37,952	Apr 26, 2012 -- 11:31PM, JonahFalcon wrote: Anibal Sanchez, Roger Clemens, Kerry Wood, Ted Lilly, and Jeff Francis. (snort) Yeah, each and every one an effective starter for years afterward. Not. Clemens and Schilling were the 2 guys who went on to have great careers, and Smoltz did pretty well have his surgery. Clemens like Pineda had his surgery in his 2nd year. Those other guys were just not as talented and Wood has been hurt his entire career with everything under the sun. I'm not really optimistic about Pineda though. I have to question the guys work ethic if he comes to a new team and is 20 pounds overweight before he even throws a pitch. At this point, the Yankees have to hope that this kid eventually turns out to be a pretty good number 3. I think his top of the order days are probably over. I think his days of hitting 97 are probably over too. I think we're more likely to see the velocity he showed at ST with him topping out with a few 94's a game. That's not bad though with his slider, and if his changeup keeps developing he can still be a pretty good starter. Probably not what the Yankees thought they were getting though. I said at the time of the deal that Campos could end up being the key part for the Yankees in this trade, and I'm sticking to that. "Never seen a payroll on a ring" "Leave the gun, take the cannoli "
1 year ago :: Apr 27, 2012 - 8:22AM #15
laurenfrances Posts: 14,861	Apr 27, 2012 -- 6:04AM, BigGuy wrote: Apr 26, 2012 -- 11:31PM, JonahFalcon wrote: Anibal Sanchez, Roger Clemens, Kerry Wood, Ted Lilly, and Jeff Francis. (snort) Yeah, each and every one an effective starter for years afterward. Not. Clemens and Schilling were the 2 guys who went on to have great careers, and Smoltz did pretty well have his surgery. Clemens like Pineda had his surgery in his 2nd year. Those other guys were just not as talented and Wood has been hurt his entire career with everything under the sun. I'm not really optimistic about Pineda though. I have to question the guys work ethic if he comes to a new team and is 20 pounds overweight before he even throws a pitch. At this point, the Yankees have to hope that this kid eventually turns out to be a pretty good number 3. I think his top of the order days are probably over. I think his days of hitting 97 are probably over too. I think we're more likely to see the velocity he showed at ST with him topping out with a few 94's a game. That's not bad though with his slider, and if his changeup keeps developing he can still be a pretty good starter. Probably not what the Yankees thought they were getting though. I said at the time of the deal that Campos could end up being the key part for the Yankees in this trade, and I'm sticking to that. "I came back after my surgery, throwing four to six miles harder than I did before," he said. "That is where the magic is. It is all about rehab. Most doctors can make you 100 percent well physically. I would tell you that it is 25 percent about the surgery and 75 percent about the rehab." If Schilling said in the above statement is true...In returning to great form it requires a a tremendous effort in rehab (75 percent). Unless Pineda has great work ethics and dedicated commitment in strengthening his shoulder, his ability to pitch well is not likely to happen. From what we can see, he lacks that work ethic coming to camp poorly conditioned. It'll take a huge effort on his part to change his ways. It remains to be seen if he'll have that strength of commitment. Always proud to be a Yankee fan.
1 year ago :: Apr 27, 2012 - 9:47AM #16
JoeGNJ Posts: 9,578	Again, with todays modern techniques, the amount of actual cutting ino tmuscle is minimized. That has huge positive implications. Id rather take an optiistic approach then the pessistic one. JoeGNJ
1 year ago :: Apr 27, 2012 - 10:05AM #17
yankeeokie Posts: 525	I want to believe that if Seattle really did tell him to take it easy in off season then that is why he reported so out of shape. I think a little Ivan Nova in his ear might get him motivated to a stellar rehab or just understanding how good results=MONEY.
1 year ago :: Apr 27, 2012 - 10:08AM #18
yankeeokie Posts: 525	Apr 26, 2012 -- 11:07PM, Jeff Edwards wrote: I would never trade for a pitcher that just got finished sucking in the 2nd half of the season. The risk is just too high, especially for one without a long track record. And the Hughes stock takes another dive!
1 year ago :: Apr 27, 2012 - 10:15AM #19
61in61 Posts: 12,276	Apr 27, 2012 -- 6:04AM, BigGuy wrote: Apr 26, 2012 -- 11:31PM, JonahFalcon wrote: Anibal Sanchez, Roger Clemens, Kerry Wood, Ted Lilly, and Jeff Francis. (snort) Yeah, each and every one an effective starter for years afterward. Not. Clemens and Schilling were the 2 guys who went on to have great careers, and Smoltz did pretty well have his surgery. Clemens like Pineda had his surgery in his 2nd year. Those other guys were just not as talented and Wood has been hurt his entire career with everything under the sun. I'm not really optimistic about Pineda though. I have to question the guys work ethic if he comes to a new team and is 20 pounds overweight before he even throws a pitch. At this point, the Yankees have to hope that this kid eventually turns out to be a pretty good number 3. I think his top of the order days are probably over. I think his days of hitting 97 are probably over too. I think we're more likely to see the velocity he showed at ST with him topping out with a few 94's a game. That's not bad though with his slider, and if his changeup keeps developing he can still be a pretty good starter. Probably not what the Yankees thought they were getting though. I said at the time of the deal that Campos could end up being the key part for the Yankees in this trade, and I'm sticking to that. Its really disappointing to hold on to your best prospect, that everyone wants, waiting for the right deal and then make a deal and its ruined by an injury. Its ironic that with all the years of nurturing Montero, Cashman couldn't have made a worse deal. Even if campos turns out to be really good, its still not the trade Cashman was hoping for.
1 year ago :: Apr 27, 2012 - 10:28AM #20
laurenfrances Posts: 14,861	Apr 27, 2012 -- 10:05AM, yankeeokie wrote: I want to believe that if Seattle really did tell him to take it easy in off season then that is why he reported so out of shape. I think a little Ivan Nova in his ear might get him motivated to a stellar rehab or just understanding how good results=MONEY. After his surgical procedure, it's up to him in committing to a regimented rehab program. Coming into camp out of shape speaks volumes in regards to work ethics. You would think a new start with a new team might warrant him to give a good impression. If Seattle told him to take it easy, that doesn't mean being a couch potato for the entire off season duration. That being said, I still wonder if Mariners suspect something is wrong with him to warrant the "take it easy " approach. Always proud to be a Yankee fan.