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1 year ago :: Apr 29, 2012 - 6:49PM #51
JoeGNJ Posts: 9,688	Apr 29, 2012 -- 6:30PM, FW57Clipper51 wrote: Apr 29, 2012 -- 6:13PM, JoeGNJ wrote: Apr 29, 2012 -- 11:16AM, GottaGoToMo wrote: Apr 29, 2012 -- 10:39AM, cookback wrote: Oh please. Let's not make Steinbrenner into an idol. And oh please, let's not demonize the man, the way so many do around here ... he cared about this team and he showed it by always being willing to open up the piggy-bank to give whatever was necessary to make this team the best it could possibly be! No, he wasn't perfect ... give me a name of a person who is! The Yanks were in the toilet until Geo came along. He had the biggest impact on pro SPORTS, of all time, no matter what the sport. Joe, The Yankees were in the toilet because Co-Owners Dan Topping and Del Webb sold the Yankees on their brand name to CBS, INC. If anyone at CBS accounting had really checked the teams books, they would have caught it. The Yankees spent less than $75,000 year on player development in 1962-1964. Yes, George rebuild the team and almost destoried it with his egomanic ownership in the 1980's. The MLB Commissioner's suspension of George saved the team from total mass destruction in the early 1990's. He chased more good baseball people from the New York Yankees organization than any other previous Yankee ownership team had. Clipper I understand Clip totally what youre saying and cant and wont disagree with any of it (Remember Mike Burke..lol) In the final analysis, he changed pro sports from many different angles. TV, marketing, merchandising etc etc etc....Ive had many moments when I cursed him, but, his legacy will be one of greatness IMO. JoeGNJ
1 year ago :: Apr 29, 2012 - 6:51PM #52
JoeGNJ Posts: 9,688	Apr 29, 2012 -- 6:30PM, FW57Clipper51 wrote: Apr 29, 2012 -- 6:13PM, JoeGNJ wrote: Apr 29, 2012 -- 11:16AM, GottaGoToMo wrote: Apr 29, 2012 -- 10:39AM, cookback wrote: Oh please. Let's not make Steinbrenner into an idol. And oh please, let's not demonize the man, the way so many do around here ... he cared about this team and he showed it by always being willing to open up the piggy-bank to give whatever was necessary to make this team the best it could possibly be! No, he wasn't perfect ... give me a name of a person who is! The Yanks were in the toilet until Geo came along. He had the biggest impact on pro SPORTS, of all time, no matter what the sport. Joe, The Yankees were in the toilet because Co-Owners Dan Topping and Del Webb sold the Yankees on their brand name to CBS, INC. If anyone at CBS accounting had really checked the teams books, they would have caught it. The Yankees spent less than $75,000 year on player development in 1962-1964. Yes, George rebuild the team and almost destoried it with his egomanic ownership in the 1980's. The MLB Commissioner's suspension of George saved the team from total mass destruction in the early 1990's. He chased more good baseball people from the New York Yankees organization than any other previous Yankee ownership team had. Clipper PS.....Heritage Filed is "open for buiness" and had kids playing ball all over the place today. It gave me chills to see kids romping on the grounds that our beloved Yanks made sacred. You gotta see it Clip. JoeGNJ
1 year ago :: Apr 29, 2012 - 7:57PM #53
Yankeeloon Posts: 8,273	Anyone who denies that Steinbrenner - warts and all - was good for the Yankees is delusional. Great man, great owner, great Yankee. RIP, George. You drove me nuts, I cheered your suspension in 1990's and you cost my favorite player (mattingly) a ring...but I loved ya. Thank you for the 1996-2000 run too!
1 year ago :: Apr 29, 2012 - 8:06PM #54
ninja108 Posts: 3,811	Apr 29, 2012 -- 7:57PM, Yankeeloon wrote: Anyone who denies that Steinbrenner - warts and all - was good for the Yankees is delusional. Great man, great owner, great Yankee. RIP, George. You drove me nuts, I cheered your suspension in 1990's and you cost my favorite player (mattingly) a ring...but I loved ya. Thank you for the 1996-2000 run too! No one is denying that but one can't ignore the fact the dynasty was put together when he had almost no say in how the team was put together. I won't ignore all the good George did for the franchise but all the bashing of Cashman and not throwing in George's mistakes.
1 year ago :: Apr 29, 2012 - 8:33PM #55
Yankeeloon Posts: 8,273	Anyone who truly believes that George had "no say" while he was suspended is willfully naive. Sorry. No offense.
1 year ago :: Apr 29, 2012 - 9:04PM #56
JoeGNJ Posts: 9,688	Apr 29, 2012 -- 8:33PM, Yankeeloon wrote: Anyone who truly believes that George had "no say" while he was suspended is willfully naive. Sorry. No offense. BINGO! He damn well said A LOT! JoeGNJ
1 year ago :: Apr 29, 2012 - 9:33PM #57
NYYGuy Posts: 3,308	I loved George as our owner too, but absolutely not for his baseball acumen. Let's not forget at one time that very same George came very close to forcing the team to trade Ron Guidry but backed down when his GM threatened to quit. He also didn't think much of Mariano Rivera and wanted him gone. Yeah. He came very close to forcing Watson to trade Posada and Mendoza for Rickey Henderson in 97. Thank goodness Watson challenged him and avoided that disaster. No doubt the Pineda-Montero trade wouldn't have happened under George, but only because Montero would have been traded a long time ago probably for some 30+ year old "big name" who would have never lived up to his contract. That was the George way. Anyone who thinks George was the greatest baseball mind in the sport and would solve all the Yankees problems on the field today is playing pure historical revisionism. Period.
1 year ago :: Apr 29, 2012 - 9:34PM #58
ratmann Posts: 976	Apr 29, 2012 -- 4:14PM, Lola wrote: yes well iinjuries happen.... I don't think Cabman had and control over the situation. He's a gm not a trainer. Look at CC his weight has never been an issue and he's bigger than Pineda. I don't think it's fair to Cash, when everyone thought it such a great trade. It is fair to to bash cashman for this trade because the people who were supposed to make sure that pineda was in shape report to cashman , and cashman dropped the ball by not making sure his guys kept pineda in shape during the off season . As for the trade itself , i was never totally sold on it , i didnt like the idea of trading montero. I think the yanks management needs to fire cashman and reevaluate the yanks scouting system because IMO those people dont know a damned thing about pitching.
1 year ago :: Apr 29, 2012 - 9:35PM #59
ratmann Posts: 976	Apr 29, 2012 -- 9:33PM, NYYGuy wrote: I loved George as our owner too, but absolutely not for his baseball acumen. The same George that I'm seeing some fans actually believe would solve all the Yankees problems on the field...at one time came very close to forcing the team to trade Ron Guidry but backed down when his GM threatened to quit. He also didn't think much of Mariano Rivera and wanted him gone. Yeah. He came very close to forcing Watson to trade Posada and Mendoza for Rickey Henderson in 97. Thank goodness Watson challenged him and avoided that disaster. No doubt the Pineda-Montero trade wouldn't have happened under George, but only because Montero would have been traded a long time ago probably for some 30+ year old "big name" who would have never lived up to his contract. That was the George way. Anyone who thinks George was the greatest baseball mind in the sport is playing historical revisionism. Period. he wasnt the greatest owner but he was sure a lot better than most team owners these days because he wanted to have the best team out there and didnt care how much it cost , unlike most current owners who only want to line their pockets with the revenue they get from the teams.
1 year ago :: Apr 29, 2012 - 9:37PM #60
NYYGuy Posts: 3,308	Apr 29, 2012 -- 9:35PM, ratmann wrote: Apr 29, 2012 -- 9:33PM, NYYGuy wrote: I loved George as our owner too, but absolutely not for his baseball acumen. The same George that I'm seeing some fans actually believe would solve all the Yankees problems on the field...at one time came very close to forcing the team to trade Ron Guidry but backed down when his GM threatened to quit. He also didn't think much of Mariano Rivera and wanted him gone. Yeah. He came very close to forcing Watson to trade Posada and Mendoza for Rickey Henderson in 97. Thank goodness Watson challenged him and avoided that disaster. No doubt the Pineda-Montero trade wouldn't have happened under George, but only because Montero would have been traded a long time ago probably for some 30+ year old "big name" who would have never lived up to his contract. That was the George way. Anyone who thinks George was the greatest baseball mind in the sport is playing historical revisionism. Period. he wasnt the greatest owner but he was sure a lot better than most team owners these days because he wanted to have the best team out there and didnt care how much it cost , unlike most current owners who only want to line their pockets with the revenue they get from the teams. Never doubted his intentions... but I'm not going to canonize him just on his baseball acumen. That's all.

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