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I see a little too much fault trying to be laid at Mr. Ca$hmans feet here.. I understand Pineda came into camp over weight, the stories keep changing from 10, 20, and now 30 pounds.. Who really knows if he wasn't being monitored ?? It looks like more blame should be laid at the feet of the coaches, trainers or who ever is in control of the players getting into shape.. Mr. Ca$hman is the GM, but I think it's more then just being a hands on Dr., Coach, instructor etc. ?? To me that's what you pay strength and conditioning coaches and people like that for... If Pineda came into camp out of shape it  was the coaches part to get his butt in shape before injuring him in the process... Not Mr. Ca$hman's...

Apr 29, 2012 -- 8:40AM, joeybagadonutz wrote:

At first it was 10 lbs. then it was 20 lbs. now it's 30 lbs. it's funny, I actually heard that he was closer to 54.6 lbs overweight and that he kills puppies in his spare time.

LOL!  you beat me to it!  that's the first thing that popped in my head when I read the first sentence....  next thing we'll be hearing is that Pineda isn't hurt, he just left the team to be on 'The Biggest Loser'...

"look at me now!  I'm too skinny to pitch..."

Apr 29, 2012 -- 11:18AM, BigGuy wrote:

Apr 29, 2012 -- 8:40AM, joeybagadonutz wrote:

At first it was 10 lbs. then it was 20 lbs. now it's 30 lbs. it's funny, I actually heard that he was closer to 54.6 lbs overweight and that he kills puppies in his spare time.

I think you heard right. lol  The thing is, Seattle wanted the kid to report to camp early this year, the 3rd week in January to get in shape.  He should have mentioned that to the Yankees.  George would have fired Cashman over this one, no doubt in my mind.

actually if George was still around the Pineda for Montero trade would never have been made because as soon as the Mariners turned down the Lee deal George would have probably dumped Montero somewhere else for a guy like Livan Hernandez.....

Yeah, the boss. He wanted to trade Jeter and Mo. And he tried to trade Pettitte in 1999. Please. The Boss. 

Apr 29, 2012 -- 9:22AM, ninja108 wrote:

 I know the Boss wouldn't stand for it but I won't praise him 100%. He viewed Mo as nothing more than trade bait at the start and had to be talked out of trading him several times.

I thought it was a good deal at the time, and I stand by that now.  This was more about the future then just this year.  With Pineda and Campos the Yankees have two guys who could be future impact arms in the rotation.  You have to give to get, and Montero was a valuable piece that made the deal possible.  The Yankees didn't need a DH for the next few years, and obviously didn't believe he was going to be a ML catcher.