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1 year ago :: Apr 29, 2012 - 4:01PM #41
GiuseppeFranco Posts: 885	This trade had bust written all over it. I said it when it happened. Not calling for cash's head, but maybe it is time. Dude has sucked at getting the team pitching. With his resources it shouldnt be a zero year after year. Sorry, but they pissed away montero, their best chip. Montero will rake. Gotta get something more than a wanna be jose contreras. It was dumb and reckless. On a side note, at the new marlins stadium right now. Place is pretty nice, intimate, can see well from anywhere. Too bad the fan base blows.
1 year ago :: Apr 29, 2012 - 4:04PM #42
Yankeeloon Posts: 8,273	Lola I liked getting Pineda for Montero. Unfortunately for me & the rest of Yankee Fandom I'm not in charge of making sure the players get their A S S in shape and I don't have the clout to ensure the players for whom I'm trading are healthy. Cashman has every resource at his command - cost be damned - and his pitching acquisition record is by any objective account ATROCIOUS.
1 year ago :: Apr 29, 2012 - 4:07PM #43
hampfan Posts: 975	Apr 29, 2012 -- 3:57PM, Stratocaster wrote: I thought it was a good deal at the time, and I stand by that now. This was more about the future then just this year. With Pineda and Campos the Yankees have two guys who could be future impact arms in the rotation. You have to give to get, and Montero was a valuable piece that made the deal possible. The Yankees didn't need a DH for the next few years, and obviously didn't believe he was going to be a ML catcher. I know the logic behind the move; on certain days, I might even agree with it up to a point--but finally I disagreed with ridding Montero even before the trade was made, and still do. We might have gotten just Campos, right now the more promising of the two, simply by trading, say, Hughes and Romine (before his injury) for him at the time. That might have served Seattle right, given what we've gotten from Pineda and probably won't get, i.e., all his once promised stuff in the future. I wanted to trade Hughes all winter anyway. He's become too self-conscious pitching in NY, can't let go, and needs a different venue to relax and show his stuff just as Kennedy did. IMO
1 year ago :: Apr 29, 2012 - 4:14PM #44
Lola Posts: 12,774	yes well iinjuries happen.... I don't think Cabman had and control over the situation. He's a gm not a trainer. Look at CC his weight has never been an issue and he's bigger than Pineda. I don't think it's fair to Cash, when everyone thought it such a great trade.
1 year ago :: Apr 29, 2012 - 5:04PM #45
Yankeeloon Posts: 8,273	Lola is this the first pitching trade/acquisition that can fairly be graded an F? I'd say after 14 years the jury is in: Cashman has the opposite of a Midas touch.
1 year ago :: Apr 29, 2012 - 5:11PM #46
craner7 Posts: 12,815	Apr 29, 2012 -- 11:18AM, BigGuy wrote: Apr 29, 2012 -- 8:40AM, joeybagadonutz wrote: At first it was 10 lbs. then it was 20 lbs. now it's 30 lbs. it's funny, I actually heard that he was closer to 54.6 lbs overweight and that he kills puppies in his spare time. I think you heard right. lol The thing is, Seattle wanted the kid to report to camp early this year, the 3rd week in January to get in shape. He should have mentioned that to the Yankees. George would have fired Cashman over this one, no doubt in my mind. So they knew, he knew he was out of shape? Didnt Cashman know? I do NOT get a guy NOT being committed to staying in shape when you're being paid like these guys are. Can't lay off the extra helpings or work it off to earn that money??!!!
1 year ago :: Apr 29, 2012 - 5:48PM #47
FW57Clipper51 Posts: 9,587	What's all this stink about weight? I pitched for the New York Yankees from 1932-1937. I made CC look like pee-wee herman. I was 6'4" and weighted in at 296Lbs. Walter "Jumbo" Brown"
1 year ago :: Apr 29, 2012 - 6:00PM #48
gatorrules Posts: 128	That is a disturbing article, Craner. I was for the trade when it happened - given the information available to us at the time (I also felt we needed good pitching more than the additional bat). I did, however, have concerns about his second half in Seattle. One of the things about Montero is that he is insistent on being a catcher. The rest of the universe seems to realize he's potentially a hitter with limited defensive skills (like Manny and Ortiz, as someone mentioned). Seattle is giving him a chance to be that catcher. I think we've done better in that department (defensively)(Martin, Stewart, Cervelli, Romine). Anyway, what's done is done. Just like losing the old Yankee Stadium and all of it's tradition. The new park is beautiful and well-designed. And that's what we have now. Pineda's here (well...) and Montero's gone. In my opinion, there's no use in 'what ifs' at this point. But this injury (and how it may have happened) still obviously stinks. Ironically, with the promotions of Phelps and Mitchell, we're now giving the youth a chance as many of us we're discussing before the trade. That didn't appear too likely to happen in ST, with our "abundance" of pitching. Almost eerily, Girardi often said these things have a way of working themselves out. At the end of the season, hopefully they win. At that point, this will all be secondary to me. At least for awhile.
1 year ago :: Apr 29, 2012 - 6:13PM #49
JoeGNJ Posts: 9,688	Apr 29, 2012 -- 11:16AM, GottaGoToMo wrote: Apr 29, 2012 -- 10:39AM, cookback wrote: Oh please. Let's not make Steinbrenner into an idol. And oh please, let's not demonize the man, the way so many do around here ... he cared about this team and he showed it by always being willing to open up the piggy-bank to give whatever was necessary to make this team the best it could possibly be! No, he wasn't perfect ... give me a name of a person who is! The Yanks were in the toilet until Geo came along. He had the biggest impact on pro SPORTS, of all time, no matter what the sport. JoeGNJ
1 year ago :: Apr 29, 2012 - 6:30PM #50
FW57Clipper51 Posts: 9,587	Apr 29, 2012 -- 6:13PM, JoeGNJ wrote: Apr 29, 2012 -- 11:16AM, GottaGoToMo wrote: Apr 29, 2012 -- 10:39AM, cookback wrote: Oh please. Let's not make Steinbrenner into an idol. And oh please, let's not demonize the man, the way so many do around here ... he cared about this team and he showed it by always being willing to open up the piggy-bank to give whatever was necessary to make this team the best it could possibly be! No, he wasn't perfect ... give me a name of a person who is! The Yanks were in the toilet until Geo came along. He had the biggest impact on pro SPORTS, of all time, no matter what the sport. Joe, The Yankees were in the toilet because Co-Owners Dan Topping and Del Webb sold the Yankees on their brand name to CBS, INC. If anyone at CBS accounting had really checked the teams books, they would have caught it. The Yankees spent less than $75,000 year on player development in 1962-1964. Yes, George rebuild the team and almost destoried it with his egomanic ownership in the 1980's. The MLB Commissioner's suspension of George saved the team from total mass destruction in the early 1990's. He chased more good baseball people from the New York Yankees organization than any other previous Yankee ownership team had. Clipper