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May 1, 2012 -- 11:44AM, CaptainJeter wrote:

Pitchers get  hurt. With all pitchers whether  you develop them , sign them as FA or trade for them. you are gambling  that they stay healthy.

Yankees got unlucky with Pineda, that is the fact. They did their due dillegence. They gave Pineda  a through exam with MRIs and cat scans. Nothing showed up  , everthing was clean. For anyone to even entertain  any thoughts that Cashman would trade Montero for a known injured pitcher is just wrong and silly.
I know alot of people here like  to make fun of Francesa. He can be annoying at times. But, what he said yesterday is  true. Pitchers  get hurt. It is not a normal activity for someone to throw a fastball 92-95  mph for 7-8 innings. The human  body was not designed to do this.
Pitchers  are getting hurt like crazy this year. Pelfry, Soria , Wilson all out for the year with TJ surgery.
Lackey out this year with TJ  surgery. Wainwright out last year with TJ surgery and  trying to come back.
The Red Sox having problems with  Dice K's injuries and Buccholz's problems. Ane what about the Marlins ongoing frequent  issues with Josh Johnson. Cliff Lee is now on the DL

Don't forget that the Rays and Jays both had issues with their young pitchers the past few
years either due to injuries or dramatic  increase of workload.

It is too early to call this trade a  bust.  The reality is the  Yankees scouts , their player development  guys , coaches  etc , know alot more than any of us. We are just the fans. We are not the people who are trained to know talent  and nourish it . 
None of us are doctors or examined Pineda, so any opinions we have on this situation is just that opinion , and speculations. The Yankees  brass  have the facts  and know things we have no knowledge of.
To even start to worry that Pineda will never be the same  is silly. Ask Schilling, Clemens, Lieter and Smoltz. They all have pretty decent careers coming off shoulder surgery.
You need to remenber this is a minor tear. It is not as an invasive  procedure. That is good  news.
None of us  know what the future holds for Pineda. Maybe he doesn't come back strong. Maybe be won't throw harder than 91 mph when he comes back. Then again, he might  come back stronger than he was. And who knows  about Montero . Maybe he will be a major stud  or maybe he will be just another top prospect that never truly fulfills his potential . It could happen.Maybe he  hurt  frequently, we knows ?
Who knows, Campos might be the gem in the deal, the one the Marniers really regret  dealing away.

They could have done their due diligence and still traded for a player that would have had issues sooner or later. Didn't ppl always sayd Billy Beane traded his pitchers when they were beginning to trend downward.

Problem with Campos is he's too far away to make any type of impact. He could be the gem of this deal but do we have any faith in the Yankees to develop him properly.

May 1, 2012 -- 12:07PM, JonahFalcon wrote:

Cashman could be responsible in a different way.

Yes, pitchers get hurt, but you can exacerbate it. Pineda came into camp overweight, and rather than sit him for a bit, Cashman pushed him and that hurt his shoulder.

even you Jonah have to see the silliness in this comment. To blame Cashman for Pineda's injury is silly. Yes, he came into camp out of shape,His fault , not Cashman's. Yes, he came in 20 pounds overweight. Again,he fault, not Cashman's .

There was no need to rest him , he was not hurt at the time of ST. He was doing what all pitchers are supposed to do , build up arm stength and stamina.

There was in indication that anything was  wrong.It was a fluke it happened. It is hardly the GM's   fault.

May 1, 2012 -- 12:12PM, CaptainJeter wrote:

May 1, 2012 -- 12:07PM, JonahFalcon wrote:

Cashman could be responsible in a different way.

Yes, pitchers get hurt, but you can exacerbate it. Pineda came into camp overweight, and rather than sit him for a bit, Cashman pushed him and that hurt his shoulder.

 

even you Jonah have to see the silliness in this comment. To blame Cashman for Pineda's injury is silly. Yes, he came into camp out of shape,His fault , not Cashman's. Yes, he came in 20 pounds overweight. Again,he fault, not Cashman's .

There was no need to rest him , he was not hurt at the time of ST. He was doing what all pitchers are supposed to do , build up arm stength and stamina.

There was in indication that anything was  wrong.It was a fluke it happened. It is hardly the GM's   fault.

It is cashman's fault in that he never made sure his prize aquisition stayed in shape in the off season.  that is what the trainers are for , to keep the players in shape and the trainers report to cashman

May 1, 2012 -- 1:13PM, ninja108 wrote:

You're being logical..stop that!! As for Cashman..you can't babysit someone 24/7. It was his responsblity to stay in shape,not Cashman's.

you cant baby sit them 24 hours a day but you sure as hell can make sure they dont sit back and gain over 20 pounds , i mean they were able to make sure cc stayed in shape this past off season, so why couldnt they monitor pineda?

May 1, 2012 -- 2:52PM, BigGuy wrote:

It's the players responsibility to stay in shape.  I've read that Seattle was going to bring Pineda to early ST in the 3rd week in January this spring.  Did the kid not tell Cashman and the Yankees that ?  Maybe if the Yankees had brought him in that early he would have been in pitching shape when he should have been.  I'm not blaming Cashman for him being out of shape, but it is a point. 

If the yanks can require that cc lose weight why couldnt they atleast monitor pineda before spring training?