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1 year ago  ::  May 02, 2012 - 7:27AM #41
ryanlaw2222
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May 2, 2012 -- 6:11AM, Yankeeloon wrote:

Girardi DH's bad-hitting catchers (Martin last night). He's a genius.



Good Point. Besides the fact that Martin is an automatic out, DH'ing him means that if you have to hit for stewart (which you probably will do since he is a horrible hitter) you lose your DH (which is what happened). 

1 year ago  ::  May 02, 2012 - 7:27AM #42
JoeGNJ
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He hasnt shown any real improvement at any postion except MAYBE in the infield. If his fielding stats continue, ge's going to have a LOT of errors for a PT player.  IMO thats indicative that he's not all that good.

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1 year ago  ::  May 02, 2012 - 7:45AM #43
bruner4329
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May 1, 2012 -- 9:14PM, luvdayanks wrote:


May 1, 2012 -- 9:10PM, nc01 wrote:


To me, it's Girardi's fault. Just a matter of time. He got away with Nunez in LF last night, but how long can it continue?


NC...


 





As I said in another Nunez thread, what other choice did Girardi have with Swisher and Granderson out?




Brings up the point I made during the offseason that we needed to get a legitimate outfield backup to spot the 3 starters and in case of injury. I do not consider Andrew Jones or Ibanez a legitimate 4th outfielder.  The fact is we have one dimensional players on the bench in some cases and it is hurting us now along with the fact we are carrying 13 pitchers. Nunez is quickly becoming a man without a position as he bungles up defensively no matter where you put him. I like his bat but his glove is horrible.

1 year ago  ::  May 02, 2012 - 8:11AM #44
Stratocaster
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May 2, 2012 -- 7:45AM, bruner4329 wrote:

May 1, 2012 -- 9:14PM, luvdayanks wrote:


May 1, 2012 -- 9:10PM, nc01 wrote:


To me, it's Girardi's fault. Just a matter of time. He got away with Nunez in LF last night, but how long can it continue?


NC...


 





As I said in another Nunez thread, what other choice did Girardi have with Swisher and Granderson out?




Brings up the point I made during the offseason that we needed to get a legitimate outfield backup to spot the 3 starters and in case of injury. I do not consider Andrew Jones or Ibanez a legitimate 4th outfielder.  The fact is we have one dimensional players on the bench in some cases and it is hurting us now along with the fact we are carrying 13 pitchers. Nunez is quickly becoming a man without a position as he bungles up defensively no matter where you put him. I like his bat but his glove is horrible.






The bench is fine...  I think the problem is the 13 pitchers and the fact that Swisher is unavailable, but not on the DL.  There is plenty of depth in the organization to fill the OF spot temporarily, but the circumstances don't allow that person to be here.

1 year ago  ::  May 02, 2012 - 8:17AM #45
laurenfrances
Posts: 14,894

May 2, 2012 -- 8:11AM, Stratocaster wrote:

May 2, 2012 -- 7:45AM, bruner4329 wrote:


May 1, 2012 -- 9:14PM, luvdayanks wrote:


May 1, 2012 -- 9:10PM, nc01 wrote:


To me, it's Girardi's fault. Just a matter of time. He got away with Nunez in LF last night, but how long can it continue?


NC...


 





As I said in another Nunez thread, what other choice did Girardi have with Swisher and Granderson out?




Brings up the point I made during the offseason that we needed to get a legitimate outfield backup to spot the 3 starters and in case of injury. I do not consider Andrew Jones or Ibanez a legitimate 4th outfielder.  The fact is we have one dimensional players on the bench in some cases and it is hurting us now along with the fact we are carrying 13 pitchers. Nunez is quickly becoming a man without a position as he bungles up defensively no matter where you put him. I like his bat but his glove is horrible.





The bench is fine... I think the problem is the 13 pitchers and the fact that Swisher is unavailable, but not on the DL. There is plenty of depth in the organization to fill the OF spot temporarily, but the circumstances don't allow that person to be here.



Here's a question Strat....Gardner is coming off DL Thursday.  Isn't a "rusty" Gardner better than Nunez in LF as Girardi wants rehab games for Brett prior to returning....The thought of Gardner and Swisher out with alterntives roaming the OF is not providing adequate defense in the coming week.  Forget about rehab games.....I'll take 'rusty" Gardner over Nunez anyday of the week.

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1 year ago  ::  May 02, 2012 - 8:35AM #46
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May 2, 2012 -- 8:17AM, laurenfrances wrote:



Here's a question Strat....Gardner is coming off DL Thursday.  Isn't a "rusty" Gardner better than Nunez in LF as Girardi wants rehab games for Brett prior to returning....The thought of Gardner and Swisher out with alterntives roaming the OF is not providing adequate defense in the coming week.  Forget about rehab games.....I'll take 'rusty" Gardner over Nunez anyday of the week.




I think a rusty bucket placed out in left field might have a better chance of catching flies than Nunez.

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1 year ago  ::  May 02, 2012 - 8:35AM #47
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May 2, 2012 -- 8:17AM, laurenfrances wrote:

May 2, 2012 -- 8:11AM, Stratocaster wrote:

May 2, 2012 -- 7:45AM, bruner4329 wrote:


May 1, 2012 -- 9:14PM, luvdayanks wrote:


May 1, 2012 -- 9:10PM, nc01 wrote:


To me, it's Girardi's fault. Just a matter of time. He got away with Nunez in LF last night, but how long can it continue?


NC...


 





As I said in another Nunez thread, what other choice did Girardi have with Swisher and Granderson out?




Brings up the point I made during the offseason that we needed to get a legitimate outfield backup to spot the 3 starters and in case of injury. I do not consider Andrew Jones or Ibanez a legitimate 4th outfielder.  The fact is we have one dimensional players on the bench in some cases and it is hurting us now along with the fact we are carrying 13 pitchers. Nunez is quickly becoming a man without a position as he bungles up defensively no matter where you put him. I like his bat but his glove is horrible.





The bench is fine... I think the problem is the 13 pitchers and the fact that Swisher is unavailable, but not on the DL. There is plenty of depth in the organization to fill the OF spot temporarily, but the circumstances don't allow that person to be here.



Here's a question Strat....Gardner is coming off DL Thursday.  Isn't a "rusty" Gardner better than Nunez in LF as Girardi wants rehab games for Brett prior to returning....The thought of Gardner and Swisher out with alterntives roaming the OF is not providing adequate defense in the coming week.  Forget about rehab games.....I'll take 'rusty" Gardner over Nunez anyday of the week.






I think a rusty Gardner is better than almost anybody in the OF... any time.  The problem is that if you re-activate him and he gets injured again, he has to go back on the DL for another 15 days.  If he does a rehab start in the minors and has a little setback, it might just be a few days.  It's the prudent move to let it play out the conventional way here, I think.  No?

1 year ago  ::  May 02, 2012 - 9:48AM #48
nc01
Posts: 1,145

May 2, 2012 -- 7:27AM, JoeGNJ wrote:


He hasnt shown any real improvement at any postion except MAYBE in the infield. If his fielding stats continue, ge's going to have a LOT of errors for a PT player.  IMO thats indicative that he's not all that good.





Amen Joe. When will they face the fact that he just can't play the field?


NC...


 

1 year ago  ::  May 02, 2012 - 10:11AM #49
BigGuy
Posts: 37,966

May 1, 2012 -- 10:56PM, davis2 wrote:


May 1, 2012 -- 10:46PM, AJFreeway wrote:


May 1, 2012 -- 10:27PM, luvdayanks wrote:



Key words being once in awhile. Ibanez .237, Jones .182, that's less than once in awhile. BTW, Nunez .276 after a 0-4 tonight, evidently he can hit.




Ibanez has 3 game-winning hits and 12 RBI. Jones isn't fielding as well as he used to, but he would still be an improvement over Nunez in the outfield. Plain and simple, the guy doesn't belong out there. When you factor in the runs he cost us tonight on that error, the difference in batting average is moot.



Jones was in RF tonight... He would have a tough time playing RF and LF... Ibanez,from what I've seen so far, doesn't inspire any awe.




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1 year ago  ::  May 02, 2012 - 10:22AM #50
ryanlaw2222
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May 1, 2012 -- 10:46PM, AJFreeway wrote:


May 1, 2012 -- 10:27PM, luvdayanks wrote:



Key words being once in awhile. Ibanez .237, Jones .182, that's less than once in awhile. BTW, Nunez .276 after a 0-4 tonight, evidently he can hit.




Ibanez has 3 game-winning hits and 12 RBI. Jones isn't fielding as well as he used to, but he would still be an improvement over Nunez in the outfield. Plain and simple, the guy doesn't belong out there. When you factor in the runs he cost us tonight on that error, the difference in batting average is moot.




Nunez has a decent bat, he's certainly not an automatic out, and hes still young. BUT you are right that he is a terrible fielder, and its not just some sort of slump he is in, he has been consistently terrible. Check out these error totals from the minors: 2005-28, 2006-37, 2007-33, 2008-19, 2009-33, 2010-10, 2011- 14 (in MLB in 50 games). Now, this is all basically playing infield positions. If the Yanks want to turn him into an OF, maybe he can improve to be an average defensive OF. A totally different skill set is involved.  However, he is not gonna do so playing sparingly in the majors. He needs to consistently play there.


Even assuming he were to become a decent defensive OF, he doesn't really hit enough to warrant being on the team as a starter in the position (thinking forwards here). And as far as a back up OF, well, those are a dime a dozen. Nunez really only has value if he can play multiple infield positions, field them well, and hit decently. There are not many backup infielders who can actually do some things with the bat. Problem is, he can't play the infield well, and probably never will.

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