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1 year ago  ::  May 03, 2012 - 9:42PM #1
MajorYankFan
Posts: 6,390
The friend of every murdering, thieving
right-wing military dictator around the
world.

Ladies and Gentleman.....Mr. Freedom Hater
himself:

1 year ago  ::  May 03, 2012 - 9:49PM #2
Boardroomjimmy aka Mr. Meebo
Posts: 3,297

I told ron he can't have it both ways so for the sake of consistency I'll tell you the same thing. 

B HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD
1 year ago  ::  May 03, 2012 - 10:27PM #3
MajorYankFan
Posts: 6,390

Reagan hard at work. Broke the vacation record before


lazy W was selected by the Supreme Court to be prez.



Little, Rich (Ronald Reagan Slept Here)


 

 
1 year ago  ::  May 03, 2012 - 10:30PM #4
Yankee1954
Posts: 8,749

May 3, 2012 -- 10:27PM, MajorYankFan wrote:


Reagan hard at work. Broke the vacation record before


lazy W was selected by the Supreme Court to be prez.




 

 



Truer words were never spoken!

1 year ago  ::  May 05, 2012 - 1:00AM #5
Mick7
Posts: 511



Charlie Wilson, (D) Texas



As Reagan sought Congressional approval for U.S. aid to the contras, for instance, then Speaker of the House of Representatives, Jim Wright, the Texas Democrat, didn't just lead fellow Democrats in attempts to defeat the measure legislatively. He also led fellow Democrats on a mission to Nicaragua, where they posed, smiling, for pictures with Nicaragua's then Soviet- and Cuban-supported dictator Daniel Ortega. On foreign soil, they denounced Reagan's efforts to aid the contras as reckless, and later represented that Reagan's policy represented an oversimplification of the Soviet Union's global intentions. Not a few American liberals went even further to argue that the Reagan Doctrine was an open invitation to nuclear war.

The decision to resist Soviet aggression in these regions was hugely contentious, with the vast majority of Democrats (aside from Charlie Wilson and a handful of others) on the other side of this debate. Had these votes gone the other way, with these resistance movements being denied the assistance they needed to resist Soviet aggression, there is no doubt that their plight would have been vastly different. Like the Hungarian revolt of 1956 and the Prague Spring of 1968, they would have been crushed by the same totalitarian Soviet aggression that successfully suppressed such resistance at home and abroad hundreds of times throughout the 20th century.

The Soviets certainly tried their best in Afghanistan. Soviet forces indiscriminately bombed civilians. They blew the hands off children with explosives designed to look like toys. They torched entire caves of scared civilians. What was the human cost of the Soviet invasion and occupation of Afghanistan? Some two million civilians were killed, and five million more fled the Soviet occupation. If there exists any modern example of "scorched earth" military tactics and institutionalized evil in practice, it can be found in what Soviet troops did in Afghanistan from 1979 until 1989.

Had the U.S. committed to help Afghanistan and its people rebuild following its 1989 liberation, what might be the state of this world today? But U.S. neglect of post-occupation Afghanistan, especially under the Clinton administration, invited the worst possible outcome, which ultimately arrived on September 11, 2001.

"Sacred cows make the best hamburger." - Mark Twain

1 year ago  ::  May 05, 2012 - 6:36AM #6
craner7
Posts: 12,782

Thanks Mick for some clarification. I so well rememeber Reagan trying so hard to fight the Communist take over of Central America and the Democrats blocking him all the way. Interesting take on Afganhistan ...makes sense.

1 year ago  ::  May 05, 2012 - 2:22PM #7
MajorYankFan
Posts: 6,390

Reagan's Bloody Legacy


www.tompaine.com/articles/reagans_bloody...


Reagan may have pushed for democracy and human rights in the Soviet bloc, but he cared little for these values elsewhere.


Throughout his presidency, Reagan made nice with dictators—no matter how nefarious—as long as they parroted his opposition to communism. As soon as he entered the White House, his administration tried to normalize relations with Augusto Pinochet, the dictator of Chile, who was responsible for a bloody coup that overthrew a democratically elected (but socialist) government. The Reaganites also cozied up to the fascistic and anti-Semitic junta of Argentina, which tortured, slaughtered and disappeared its political opponents. And don’t forget Reagan’s attempt to woo Saddam Hussein, even after it was known that Hussein had used chemical weapons. (Reagan assigned this task to Donald Rumsfeld.)

1 year ago  ::  May 05, 2012 - 11:14PM #8
Mick7
Posts: 511

The Chile thing was an absolute bloodbath. I've heard stories about disidents being rounded up in soccer stadiums - well, you can guess the rest. It reminded me of stories of the Rape of Nanking.


The point about Afghanistan is that it doesn't happen unless Congress authorizes the funds. No way, no how. And at the time, getting the Russians out of there (where they could threaten oil shipments from the Gulf) seemed a damned good idea! Leaving a power vacuum was not such a good idea, however.


Read the book Charlie Wilson's War (the movie barely scratched the surface) for a detailed explanation.

"Sacred cows make the best hamburger." - Mark Twain

1 year ago  ::  May 05, 2012 - 11:34PM #9
Yankee1954
Posts: 8,749

May 5, 2012 -- 6:36AM, craner7 wrote:


Thanks Mick for some clarification. I so well rememeber Reagan trying so hard to fight the Communist take over of Central America and the Democrats blocking him all the way. Interesting take on Afganhistan ...makes sense.




You can always remember what you want and you usually do. You have a selective memory.

1 year ago  ::  May 05, 2012 - 11:48PM #10
cywhitey
Posts: 1,330

May 5, 2012 -- 1:00AM, Mick7 wrote:



Had the U.S. committed to help Afghanistan and its people rebuild following its 1989 liberation, what might be the state of this world today? But U.S. neglect of post-occupation Afghanistan, especially under the Clinton administration, invited the worst possible outcome, which ultimately arrived on September 11, 2001.




You can't have it both ways. We were told for eight years that "they hate us for our freedom." Suddenly they hated us because we didn't rebuild their country? The point completely falls apart when you pretend that Clinton succeeded Reagan as President. Bush didn't support Afghanistan, and Americans didn't want him to.

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