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Obama Regime Warns Supreme Court Not To Overturn Obamacare Or Medicare Might Suddenly Freeze Up
2 years ago  ::  May 04, 2012 - 12:10PM #1
Bronxbob
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 Medicare’s payment system, the unseen but vital network that handles 100 million monthly claims, could freeze if President Barack Obama’s health care law is summarily overturned, the administration quietly informed the courts.

Although Obama’s overhaul made significant cuts to providers and improved prescription and preventive benefits, Medicare was overlooked in Supreme Court arguments that focused on the law’s controversial requirement that all individuals carry health insurance.


Havoc for Medicare could have repercussions as both parties avidly court seniors in this election year and as hospitals and doctors increasingly complain the program doesn’t pay enough.


Last year, in a lower court filing, Justice Department lawyers said reversing Medicare payment changes “would impose staggering administrative burdens” on the government and “could cause major delays and errors” in claims payment.

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2 years ago  ::  May 04, 2012 - 9:11PM #2
T15D23A46
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There is no insurance company rejecting to pay out benefits more than Medicare. they are constantly refusing to pay out and it takes 2-3 times for many of our seniors.


Obamacare has stolen over $500m from medicare and it will be in the hole by $8.5 billion by November.


Medicare is a disaster to begin with, but Obamacare is an evil that must be killed now.

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2 years ago  ::  May 05, 2012 - 12:37AM #3
Yankee1954
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May 4, 2012 -- 12:10PM, Bronxbob wrote:

 Medicare’s payment system, the unseen but vital network that handles 100 million monthly claims, could freeze if President Barack Obama’s health care law is summarily overturned, the administration quietly informed the courts.


Although Obama’s overhaul made significant cuts to providers and improved prescription and preventive benefits, Medicare was overlooked in Supreme Court arguments that focused on the law’s controversial requirement that all individuals carry health insurance.


Havoc for Medicare could have repercussions as both parties avidly court seniors in this election year and as hospitals and doctors increasingly complain the program doesn’t pay enough.


Last year, in a lower court filing, Justice Department lawyers said reversing Medicare payment changes “would impose staggering administrative burdens” on the government and “could cause major delays and errors” in claims payment.




More lies.

2 years ago  ::  May 05, 2012 - 11:50AM #4
MAX
Posts: 11,010

May 4, 2012 -- 9:11PM, T15D23A46 wrote:


There is no insurance company rejecting to pay out benefits more than Medicare. they are constantly refusing to pay out and it takes 2-3 times for many of our seniors.


Obamacare has stolen over $500m from medicare and it will be in the hole by $8.5 billion by November.


Medicare is a disaster to begin with, but Obamacare is an evil that must be killed now.




I don't know ANYONE that's on Medicare that doesn't like it.

2 years ago  ::  May 05, 2012 - 12:25PM #5
T15D23A46
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You apparently don't know a lot of people...


Medicare ensures the patient spends more time on the phone with them constantly begging them to pay what they are obligated to pay. They are doing all they can to push these payments off for routine checkups in the hopes the patient passes and the bill is left to their estate.


Further that with the lack of understanding of what Obamacare has done to medicare, which did everything they claimed Ryan wanted to do and more.


Obamacare took $500 Billion (I incorrectly stated million) and is almost $300 billion short in 2012. Further more, Obama is taking another $8.5 billion out of medicare just before the election to pay for bonuses. This coming from GAO.


Government has zero business being in our healthcare, but Obama is running medicare into the ground worse than they claimed the republicans wanted.


Pretty brilliant that his followers are like deer in headlights.


May 5, 2012 -- 11:50AM, MAX wrote:


May 4, 2012 -- 9:11PM, T15D23A46 wrote:


There is no insurance company rejecting to pay out benefits more than Medicare. they are constantly refusing to pay out and it takes 2-3 times for many of our seniors.


Obamacare has stolen over $500m from medicare and it will be in the hole by $8.5 billion by November.


Medicare is a disaster to begin with, but Obamacare is an evil that must be killed now.




I don't know ANYONE that's on Medicare that doesn't like it.





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- 11/12/11 God Bless Mom

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2 years ago  ::  May 05, 2012 - 1:28PM #6
MAX
Posts: 11,010

May 5, 2012 -- 12:25PM, T15D23A46 wrote:


You apparently don't know a lot of people...


Medicare ensures the patient spends more time on the phone with them constantly begging them to pay what they are obligated to pay. They are doing all they can to push these payments off for routine checkups in the hopes the patient passes and the bill is left to their estate.


Further that with the lack of understanding of what Obamacare has done to medicare, which did everything they claimed Ryan wanted to do and more.


Obamacare took $500 Billion (I incorrectly stated million) and is almost $300 billion short in 2012. Further more, Obama is taking another $8.5 billion out of medicare just before the election to pay for bonuses. This coming from GAO.


Government has zero business being in our healthcare, but Obama is running medicare into the ground worse than they claimed the republicans wanted.


Pretty brilliant that his followers are like deer in headlights.


May 5, 2012 -- 11:50AM, MAX wrote:


May 4, 2012 -- 9:11PM, T15D23A46 wrote:


There is no insurance company rejecting to pay out benefits more than Medicare. they are constantly refusing to pay out and it takes 2-3 times for many of our seniors.


Obamacare has stolen over $500m from medicare and it will be in the hole by $8.5 billion by November.


Medicare is a disaster to begin with, but Obamacare is an evil that must be killed now.


 




Apparently you like to assume that. You know what they say about assuming. I choose not to blindly follow the Bachmann, Ryan rethoric. I know a lot of peple on medicare. I'm even in charge of writing checks and making phone calls for someone close to me that's had 5 major operations in the  last 11 years. Do you know how many minutes I had to stay on the phone with Medicare? NONE. Do you know how many times they refused to pay out? NONE. Obamacare took, you say?

The bill doesn't take money out of the current Medicare budget but, rather, it attempts to slow the program's future growth, curtailing just over $500 billion in anticipated spending increases over the next 10 years. Medicare spending will still increase, however. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office projects Medicare spending will reach $929 billion in 2020, up from $499 billion in actual spending in 2009.

So while the health care law reduces the amount of future spending growth in Medicare, the law doesn't cut current funding for Medicare.

Still, where does the $500 billion in future savings come from?

Nearly $220 billion comes from reducing annual increases in payments that health care providers would otherwise receive from Medicare. Other savings include $36 billion from increases in premiums for higher-income beneficiaries and $12 billion from administrative changes. A new national board -- the Independent Payment Advisory Board -- will be tasked to identify $15.5 billion in savings, but the board is prohibited from proposing anything that would ration care or reduce or modify benefits. Then there's another $136 billion in projected savings that would come from changes to the Medicare Advantage program, an alternative to traditional Medicare that has turned out to be much more costly than expected. About 25 percent of Medicare beneficiaries are enrolled in a Medicare Advantage plan.

If you disregard the incendiary word "stole," it is true that savings from Medicare help pay for other parts of the health care law. That's because Democrats wanted to make sure they did not increase the federal deficit with the new health law. The savings from Medicare offset new spending resulting from the health care bill.

Mostly, the new spending in the health care law comes from tax credits to help people of modest incomes buy health insurance and from expanding Medicaid to offer coverage to the poor. The tax credits and other cost-sharing subsidies are estimated to cost $350 billion over 10 years, while the Medicaid expansion costs $434 billion, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.

Those two initiatives add up to more than $500 billion. So in addition to reducing future Medicare spending, the law also increases Medicare taxes on the wealthy and creates new fees for the health care industry, as well as a few other things, to come up with the needed sums.

Now, to address the word "stole." The money was not stolen in any literal sense of the word. Congress passed the law through its normal process, and the cost reductions for Medicare were out in the open during the many weeks that the final law was being negotiated.

Bachmann said that, "We know that President Obama stole over $500 billion out of Medicare to switch it over to Obamacare." There is a small amount of truth in her statement in that future savings from Medicare are planned to offset new costs created by the law. But the law attempts to curtail the rapid growth of future Medicare spending, not cut current funding. Additionally, the money was not "stolen." Congress reduced spending on a program through its normal legislative process. That kind of rhetoric is deceptive, and it undermines Bachmann's basic point. We rate her statement Mostly False.





2 years ago  ::  May 05, 2012 - 2:12PM #7
GlenninVirginia
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2 years ago  ::  May 06, 2012 - 12:29AM #8
cywhitey
Posts: 1,330

May 5, 2012 -- 12:25PM, T15D23A46 wrote:


You apparently don't know a lot of people...


Medicare ensures the patient spends more time on the phone with them constantly begging them to pay what they are obligated to pay. They are doing all they can to push these payments off for routine checkups in the hopes the patient passes and the bill is left to their estate.


Further that with the lack of understanding of what Obamacare has done to medicare, which did everything they claimed Ryan wanted to do and more.


Obamacare took $500 Billion (I incorrectly stated million) and is almost $300 billion short in 2012. Further more, Obama is taking another $8.5 billion out of medicare just before the election to pay for bonuses. This coming from GAO.


Government has zero business being in our healthcare, but Obama is running medicare into the ground worse than they claimed the republicans wanted.


Pretty brilliant that his followers are like deer in headlights.





Polls consistently show very strong support for Medicare. Americans want Medicare left as is. Polls also show people on Medicare rate it at least as high as Americans rate private insurance.


The military and military veterans are on government insurance. Should they be kicked off and forced to fend for themselves?

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