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Yea that's NOT what he was saying but you don't really give a sht do you? You just want to try and impress yourself with cliche after cliche and parrot talk radio mouths right Jorge? Frigin idiot

May 17, 2012 -- 1:01PM, Carp wrote:

May 17, 2012 -- 12:49PM, AceMitchell wrote:

May 17, 2012 -- 12:43PM, Carp wrote:

May 17, 2012 -- 12:55AM, kingj wrote:

Pretty much, Carp.  CC and pray for rain.  Really need that #2 and #3.  Funny how good this staff looked before spring training.  Kuroda for me has been the real disappointment.  Hughes is always all over the place.  And Nova is a good young pitcher but not a 2.  Not yet at least.  For how hard the Yankees (i.e., Cashman) wanted him, I expected a little more...oomph?  Still a lot of season left, but, man, nights like tonight leave you really wondering how this team is going to get anywhere.  Right now no hitting, no pitching.  Just ugh.

I cringed when I read the reports on the rotation.  The Blosox were in the exact same situation last year and look what happened to them? 

The Yankees failed on Darvisch.  That hurt. 
Kuroda will be inconsistent through the rest of the year.  Up and down, all season long.  Much will depend upon who he faces.  Aggressive teams are at the disadvantage.  Patient teams, like last night, will continue to kill him with 2 strikes and 2 outs.  He really needs to be lower in the rotation.

I'm not so sure Cashman himself is to blame.... Scouting has to take some blame.  However, most importantly, The Yanks need to continue to spend when they need to.  Letting Darvisch go is a sign of poor scouting and and unwillingness to do what it takes to get the good pitching.  The writing is on the wall.  Cashman just needs to look up and see it.

Even that's coming to an end.

If it continues, so will their bid for the playoffs.

But if it doesn't then the playoff bids might stop.

May 18, 2012 -- 2:34AM, jorgecostanza wrote:

May 18, 2012 -- 1:46AM, Carp wrote:

 
you're both wrong. Completely , entirely wrong.  Marino was a choke artist so guess what?  Yes.  Strawberry, if not for his drug troubles, had all the potential in the world to compete with Williams.  Dont follow basketball, don't care about that comparison.  And, in case you didn't know it, wins count.  They get you to the playoffs.  Not enough wins, no playoffs.  There are things to factor into wins, but it takes a special pitcher to be able to get to 20 wins.  You still need to win to get anywhere.  Think about how many players play their entire career without winNing a world series.  It's a special thing.  Get over yourselves and go throw 100 pitches every fifth day.  Let me know how easy it is to get  a win.

So if Marino's team doesn't win, it's because he's a choke and not that he might have a porous defense?

Was Don Mattingly a choke? How about the vastly underrated Mel Stottlemeyer? Choke?

Bill Russell has more rings than Wilt, but was never the better player; just played on a better team with a better coach.

I'm not denigrating Sabathia, just pointing out your faulty logic that a ring tells a player's value, and I'm saying that it doesn't necessarily do that.

It's not faulty logic.  

This is baseball.  It's different game with a different team structure.  Individual accomplishments carry more weight in baseball.  In baseball you can have a pitcher stand on the mound with no Participation from any of the players in the field and still get the win.  In baseball you can have one guy hit a home run and still win the game.  your logic is faulty because you group all sports into one lump and fail to take into account the differences in the games. 

Individual players in baseball can and do carry more value, in many cases.  That's why they get more individual money than football players and why there's no salary cap in baseball.  Supply and demand dictate those economics, along with the particulars of the game.

Fatgiami, I don't usually get insulting with people on a bulletin board, but I've had enough of your idiocy.

Exactly how many Verlander types are there in the MLB do you think? 2, maybe, V and Strasburg. You expect CC to be THE best pitcher in baseball otherwise he's no good? What kind of **** are you?

Here's one of your brilliant quotes: " I don't advocate a trade at all. i just think we need to develop a young ace as cc ages into his 30s, he'll be a #2."

Do the names Banuelos or Betances mean anything to you? Or are you going to tell me that they aren't Verlanders either?

Well, here's a news flash. You don't get pitchers like Verlander or Strasburg in a draft unless you LOSE 100 GAMES!! like the Tigers did a few years back or live in the cellar like the Nationals and Rays did for years on end. The Rays have a great pitching staff because they got them in the draft after being a lousy team for 10 years!!!

Then you get #1 draft picks. But when you consistently win, you get to pick at around 28 or 29 out of 30. By that time, the aces are gone. You have to hope that guys like Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain, Ivan Nova grow into good pitchers.  And you hope to scout some good pitchers overseas. In the meantime,you're forced to get the best ace you can from free agency, and sometimes you have to pay more than they're worth at the time, e.g. A.J. So, you  go out and pay through the nose for your ace and maybe even #2 because you can't grow them! But now, even your ability to do that is in danger because of the socialist wealth tax. It's unfair for you to have a $200 million payroll, even though you can't wield a decent farm system because you get mediocre draft picks. The Yankees had a $200 million payroll because the Steinbrenner family was willing to pay that to win. There are a lot of other very rich owners in the MLB who won't put 1 red cent into their team, but are very willing to take what profits they can from it.  And they cry "No fair."

The Steinbrenners should tell the rest of the owners, "When you have put your fortune on the line to win like our father did back in the 70's then come back at us with "No, fair" but not until.

May 18, 2012 -- 11:23AM, JonahFalcon wrote:

Oh, and how many #2's have been perennial Cy Young candidates?

Ask the 2008 Brewers if #2 pitchers could have done what he did in his last 3 starts, all on short rest JUST to get them into the postseason?

"have been" may be the operative words.  No question the 2008 Brewers don't make the playoffs without CC  but is the current version of CC even remotely as good as he 2008 version?  When he goes out there do you "expect" him to pitch a solid game?

It is only 1/4 of the way into the season.  But do you think CC would get ANY consideration for Cy Young if there was a first 2 months of the season Cy Youing award?  Heck, would Ron Washington even choose him for the AL All Star staff if he were choosing today?

he is still a very good pitcher, by far the best SP on the current Yankee staff.  But given the way the rest of the rotation has performed, that isn't saying a lot.