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Manny Banuelos might become an ace or at worst a number 2. Dellin might not reach his ceiling. Some scouts project him to be a reliever.

May 21, 2012 -- 12:51PM, yank0428 wrote:

May 21, 2012 -- 11:40AM, 61in61 wrote:

May 20, 2012 -- 6:31PM, Branes wrote:

Fatgiami, I don't usually get insulting with people on a bulletin board, but I've had enough of your idiocy.

Exactly how many Verlander types are there in the MLB do you think? 2, maybe, V and Strasburg. You expect CC to be THE best pitcher in baseball otherwise he's no good? What kind of **** are you?

Here's one of your brilliant quotes: " I don't advocate a trade at all. i just think we need to develop a young ace as cc ages into his 30s, he'll be a #2."

Do the names Banuelos or Betances mean anything to you? Or are you going to tell me that they aren't Verlanders either?

Well, here's a news flash. You don't get pitchers like Verlander or Strasburg in a draft unless you LOSE 100 GAMES!! like the Tigers did a few years back or live in the cellar like the Nationals and Rays did for years on end. The Rays have a great pitching staff because they got them in the draft after being a lousy team for 10 years!!!

Then you get #1 draft picks. But when you consistently win, you get to pick at around 28 or 29 out of 30. By that time, the aces are gone. You have to hope that guys like Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain, Ivan Nova grow into good pitchers.  And you hope to scout some good pitchers overseas. In the meantime,you're forced to get the best ace you can from free agency, and sometimes you have to pay more than they're worth at the time, e.g. A.J. So, you  go out and pay through the nose for your ace and maybe even #2 because you can't grow them! But now, even your ability to do that is in danger because of the socialist wealth tax. It's unfair for you to have a $200 million payroll, even though you can't wield a decent farm system because you get mediocre draft picks. The Yankees had a $200 million payroll because the Steinbrenner family was willing to pay that to win. There are a lot of other very rich owners in the MLB who won't put 1 red cent into their team, but are very willing to take what profits they can from it.  And they cry "No fair."

The Steinbrenners should tell the rest of the owners, "When you have put your fortune on the line to win like our father did back in the 70's then come back at us with "No, fair" but not until.

Take it easy man. Fatgiambi has a good point when he says CC won't be an ace as he gets older. It happens to all veteran pitchers.

I don't think Betances or Banuelos are going to be aces. We have been sold a bill of goods about the Yankee farm now for about 5 years. First it was Hughes, then Chamberlain and so on. Now we are in 2012 and they have to coax a 40 YO Pettitte out of retirement.

The Rays staff wasn't built on 1st round picks...or even 2nd round picks. Shields was picked in the 16th round, Hellickson 4th round, Moore 8th round. Neimann was a first round pick the same year the Yanks picked Hughes but he hasn't been anything close to a great pitcher.  Price is the only true 1st round star.

The way Girardi uses CC I don't see how he will last the length of this contract. He leaves him in games and keeps rolling up the pitch counts. I didn't see his last inning yesterday but with 3 walks in the 7th you think he might want to go to the bullpen.

 

 

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Girardi uses CC as he should, a $20M a year ace of his staff. CC is a strong guy and can throw 125 pitches. The problem in that game was he lost the strike zone and it happened quickly.  Also, CC has the reputation of working in and out of trouble, but not so this time.

May 21, 2012 -- 1:53PM, laurenfrances wrote:

May 21, 2012 -- 12:51PM, yank0428 wrote:

May 21, 2012 -- 11:40AM, 61in61 wrote:

May 20, 2012 -- 6:31PM, Branes wrote:

Fatgiami, I don't usually get insulting with people on a bulletin board, but I've had enough of your idiocy.

Exactly how many Verlander types are there in the MLB do you think? 2, maybe, V and Strasburg. You expect CC to be THE best pitcher in baseball otherwise he's no good? What kind of **** are you?

Here's one of your brilliant quotes: " I don't advocate a trade at all. i just think we need to develop a young ace as cc ages into his 30s, he'll be a #2."

Do the names Banuelos or Betances mean anything to you? Or are you going to tell me that they aren't Verlanders either?

Well, here's a news flash. You don't get pitchers like Verlander or Strasburg in a draft unless you LOSE 100 GAMES!! like the Tigers did a few years back or live in the cellar like the Nationals and Rays did for years on end. The Rays have a great pitching staff because they got them in the draft after being a lousy team for 10 years!!!

Then you get #1 draft picks. But when you consistently win, you get to pick at around 28 or 29 out of 30. By that time, the aces are gone. You have to hope that guys like Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain, Ivan Nova grow into good pitchers.  And you hope to scout some good pitchers overseas. In the meantime,you're forced to get the best ace you can from free agency, and sometimes you have to pay more than they're worth at the time, e.g. A.J. So, you  go out and pay through the nose for your ace and maybe even #2 because you can't grow them! But now, even your ability to do that is in danger because of the socialist wealth tax. It's unfair for you to have a $200 million payroll, even though you can't wield a decent farm system because you get mediocre draft picks. The Yankees had a $200 million payroll because the Steinbrenner family was willing to pay that to win. There are a lot of other very rich owners in the MLB who won't put 1 red cent into their team, but are very willing to take what profits they can from it.  And they cry "No fair."

The Steinbrenners should tell the rest of the owners, "When you have put your fortune on the line to win like our father did back in the 70's then come back at us with "No, fair" but not until.

Take it easy man. Fatgiambi has a good point when he says CC won't be an ace as he gets older. It happens to all veteran pitchers.

I don't think Betances or Banuelos are going to be aces. We have been sold a bill of goods about the Yankee farm now for about 5 years. First it was Hughes, then Chamberlain and so on. Now we are in 2012 and they have to coax a 40 YO Pettitte out of retirement.

The Rays staff wasn't built on 1st round picks...or even 2nd round picks. Shields was picked in the 16th round, Hellickson 4th round, Moore 8th round. Neimann was a first round pick the same year the Yanks picked Hughes but he hasn't been anything close to a great pitcher.  Price is the only true 1st round star.

The way Girardi uses CC I don't see how he will last the length of this contract. He leaves him in games and keeps rolling up the pitch counts. I didn't see his last inning yesterday but with 3 walks in the 7th you think he might want to go to the bullpen.

 

 

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Go to the bullpen??  It's not like Robertson is available.  With a compromised pen, Yankees will provide more leeway for CC to get out of trouble with the bases loaded.  It's his game to lose.  Starters will be given a longer rope to get out of difficulties.  I'm afraid it's going to be this way until Robertson returns. 

Obviously the dynamic of the bull pen has changed without Mariano, and Robertson. Girardi's moves are reflective of such changes.

He was doing the same thing before the injuries. CC is a horse. Gives you every thing he's got. I will be very surprised if he holds up the length of this contract with all  the innings and pitches he throws. Also not in the best shape in the world. I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it.

May 21, 2012 -- 1:00PM, luvdayanks wrote:

May 21, 2012 -- 12:51PM, yank0428 wrote:

May 21, 2012 -- 11:40AM, 61in61 wrote:

May 20, 2012 -- 6:31PM, Branes wrote:

Fatgiami, I don't usually get insulting with people on a bulletin board, but I've had enough of your idiocy.

Exactly how many Verlander types are there in the MLB do you think? 2, maybe, V and Strasburg. You expect CC to be THE best pitcher in baseball otherwise he's no good? What kind of **** are you?

Here's one of your brilliant quotes: " I don't advocate a trade at all. i just think we need to develop a young ace as cc ages into his 30s, he'll be a #2."

Do the names Banuelos or Betances mean anything to you? Or are you going to tell me that they aren't Verlanders either?

Well, here's a news flash. You don't get pitchers like Verlander or Strasburg in a draft unless you LOSE 100 GAMES!! like the Tigers did a few years back or live in the cellar like the Nationals and Rays did for years on end. The Rays have a great pitching staff because they got them in the draft after being a lousy team for 10 years!!!

Then you get #1 draft picks. But when you consistently win, you get to pick at around 28 or 29 out of 30. By that time, the aces are gone. You have to hope that guys like Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain, Ivan Nova grow into good pitchers.  And you hope to scout some good pitchers overseas. In the meantime,you're forced to get the best ace you can from free agency, and sometimes you have to pay more than they're worth at the time, e.g. A.J. So, you  go out and pay through the nose for your ace and maybe even #2 because you can't grow them! But now, even your ability to do that is in danger because of the socialist wealth tax. It's unfair for you to have a $200 million payroll, even though you can't wield a decent farm system because you get mediocre draft picks. The Yankees had a $200 million payroll because the Steinbrenner family was willing to pay that to win. There are a lot of other very rich owners in the MLB who won't put 1 red cent into their team, but are very willing to take what profits they can from it.  And they cry "No fair."

The Steinbrenners should tell the rest of the owners, "When you have put your fortune on the line to win like our father did back in the 70's then come back at us with "No, fair" but not until.

Take it easy man. Fatgiambi has a good point when he says CC won't be an ace as he gets older. It happens to all veteran pitchers.

I don't think Betances or Banuelos are going to be aces. We have been sold a bill of goods about the Yankee farm now for about 5 years. First it was Hughes, then Chamberlain and so on. Now we are in 2012 and they have to coax a 40 YO Pettitte out of retirement.

The Rays staff wasn't built on 1st round picks...or even 2nd round picks. Shields was picked in the 16th round, Hellickson 4th round, Moore 8th round. Neimann was a first round pick the same year the Yanks picked Hughes but he hasn't been anything close to a great pitcher.  Price is the only true 1st round star.

The way Girardi uses CC I don't see how he will last the length of this contract. He leaves him in games and keeps rolling up the pitch counts. I didn't see his last inning yesterday but with 3 walks in the 7th you think he might want to go to the bullpen.

 

 

is cont

Girardi uses CC as he should, a $20M a year ace of his staff. CC is a strong guy and can throw 125 pitches. The problem in that game was he lost the strike zone and it happened quickly.  Also, CC has the reputation of working in and out of trouble, but not so this time.

Luv he wore down last year. I wouldn't be surprised if it happens this year . He a max effort pitcher and not a kid anymore.