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1 year ago  ::  Jun 01, 2012 - 8:08PM #91
fatgiambi
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the guy's an incredible pitcher. but he's not one of the 15 best #1s in the league. we're the yanks, we should recognize he's great but not elite elite. our #1 goal should be to have a top tier #1 starter to pair with him. not an easy task i understand.

1 year ago  ::  Jun 01, 2012 - 8:11PM #92
Raymond757
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CC is tiping his pitches.He is quick to the plate on a fastball and has a pouse on a curve ball.
1 year ago  ::  Jun 01, 2012 - 8:18PM #93
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 33,463

May 18, 2012 -- 1:10PM, Carp wrote:



It's not faulty logic.  


This is baseball.  It's different game with a different team structure.  Individual accomplishments carry more weight in baseball.  In baseball you can have a pitcher stand on the mound with no Participation from any of the players in the field and still get the win.  In baseball you can have one guy hit a home run and still win the game.  your logic is faulty because you group all sports into one lump and fail to take into account the differences in the games. 


Individual players in baseball can and do carry more value, in many cases.  That's why they get more individual money than football players and why there's no salary cap in baseball.  Supply and demand dictate those economics, along with the particulars of the game.




Carp ... Great post!


mariano42

1 year ago  ::  Jun 01, 2012 - 8:20PM #94
fatgiambi
Posts: 1,125

May 18, 2012 -- 11:23AM, JonahFalcon wrote:


Oh, and how many #2's have been perennial Cy Young candidates?


Ask the 2008 Brewers if #2 pitchers could have done what he did in his last 3 starts, all on short rest JUST to get them into the postseason?




welcome to 2012.

1 year ago  ::  Jun 01, 2012 - 8:26PM #95
luvdayanks
Posts: 10,160

Jun 1, 2012 -- 8:11PM, Raymond757 wrote:

CC is tiping his pitches.He is quick to the plate on a fastball and has a pouse on a curve ball.





This is the only plate he is quick to.


1 year ago  ::  Jun 01, 2012 - 8:28PM #96
CaptainJeter
Posts: 4,553

it is  stewart. His era the past 5 games is 4.28 . Over all it's 3.66. With Martin last year, it was 3.00

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NOBODY DOES IT BETTER THAN THE NEW YORK YANKEES
1 year ago  ::  Jun 02, 2012 - 12:27AM #97
ratmann
Posts: 976

May 16, 2012 -- 12:21AM, fatgiambi wrote:


May 15, 2012 -- 11:30PM, Walton wrote:


Shhhhhhhhhh.................CC is an ace. He's unbelievable. Unhittable. He makes 24 million a year. In big games he's automatic.  He's incredible. In his last 70 innings last year he gave up something like 90 hits........but hey. He was tired. Look at his numbers in the post season............but hey. He's another Sandy Koufax. He's Bob Gibson. Unhittable. That's what they tell us..........right? Who are we to question that? If THEY say he's great. He's great.




you're not really allowed any out of the box thinking or questioning on this board. another form of fandom to me is the questioning of the path of your team and an ability to analyze what's the best course forward. too many folks on this board are narrow minded and believe the only definition of being a fan is to mindlessly root for your squad regardless of its choices. sure that's one way to be a fan, but i believe there are many ways and one the reasons i love baseball is i have opinions about the direction i'd like my team to go in. to folks on this board, questioning the current course of action is "spoiled" or a reason for me to "go become a red sox fan if you don't like it".


no pun intended, but these people are "yes" men. 




yeah and woe to the people who go against them 

1 year ago  ::  Jun 02, 2012 - 10:26AM #98
jete2sandman42
Posts: 1,242

Really? So who was the #1 guy in '09? And don't give me CC isn'ts are just same guy, he sure is. His numbers through 11 starts are just as good, if not better than where they were in '09.

1 year ago  ::  Jun 02, 2012 - 10:34AM #99
Taurus
Posts: 850

Jun 2, 2012 -- 12:27AM, ratmann wrote:


May 16, 2012 -- 12:21AM, fatgiambi wrote:


May 15, 2012 -- 11:30PM, Walton wrote:


Shhhhhhhhhh.................CC is an ace. He's unbelievable. Unhittable. He makes 24 million a year. In big games he's automatic.  He's incredible. In his last 70 innings last year he gave up something like 90 hits........but hey. He was tired. Look at his numbers in the post season............but hey. He's another Sandy Koufax. He's Bob Gibson. Unhittable. That's what they tell us..........right? Who are we to question that? If THEY say he's great. He's great.




you're not really allowed any out of the box thinking or questioning on this board. another form of fandom to me is the questioning of the path of your team and an ability to analyze what's the best course forward. too many folks on this board are narrow minded and believe the only definition of being a fan is to mindlessly root for your squad regardless of its choices. sure that's one way to be a fan, but i believe there are many ways and one the reasons i love baseball is i have opinions about the direction i'd like my team to go in. to folks on this board, questioning the current course of action is "spoiled" or a reason for me to "go become a red sox fan if you don't like it".


no pun intended, but these people are "yes" men. 




yeah and woe to the people who go against them 




You guys are too funny...got to say that I enjoy your posts whether I agree with them or not.

1 year ago  ::  Jun 02, 2012 - 10:39AM #100
Carp
Posts: 2,637





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show me where i said he's "no good". you're missing the point entirely. my point is that we need to develop top flight starting pitching. i just think cc is about the 15th best ace in the league, if that. and if you're the yankees then you should aim for a lights out guy at the top of the rotation. i dont see cc as a lights out guy.


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Stop watching sports center and come up with an opinion of your own.  CC is better than middle of the pack.


That is ludicrous and headline fodder.

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