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1 year ago  ::  May 21, 2012 - 10:44AM #1
AltaJoe
Posts: 437

I'm frightened by the direction this team is taking.   Current ownership seems to have studied the 1960's CBS model and decided that once you take control of an established cash cow, you stop feeding it and milk it until it dies. 

Big Stein knew that you must continue to be bold, and take risks.  His kids are anything but.  Failing to even consider Chapman, Darvish, Cespedes etc is a strong signal that they're coasting.  They didn't even have the brains to bluff the Reds, Rangers, or A's into throwing away a few more millions by feigning aggressive interest.  The last time they did this was when they scammed the Red Sox into paying $50mm to negotiate with future hall of famer Dice K.


I've lived through the late 60's into the mid 70's.  The late 70's into the mid 80's and the late 80's into the mid 90's.  These were the lean times when you celebrated every win because they were few and far between.  I'm not talking about Championships...I'm talking about actual wins.  I fear that after this last incredible run, during which Yankee fans have been embarrasingly arrogent by complaining about "anything less than a Cahampionship is unnacceptable" the days of reckoning are upon us and we're in for some very dark times.

1 year ago  ::  May 21, 2012 - 11:08AM #2
Bats
Posts: 5,179

Your ridiculous.


May 21, 2012 -- 10:44AM, AltaJoe wrote:


I'm frightened by the direction this team is taking.   Current ownership seems to have studied the 1960's CBS model and decided that once you take control of an established cash cow, you stop feeding it and milk it until it dies.  




What are you talking about? The Yankees have a 200 mil payroll and teams that have won the World Series for the past 10 years have done so with far less.


May 21, 2012 -- 10:44AM, AltaJoe wrote:


Big Stein knew that you must continue to be bold, and take risks.  His kids are anything but.  Failing to even consider Chapman, Darvish, Cespedes etc is a strong signal that they're coasting.  They didn't even have the brains to bluff the Reds, Rangers, or A's into throwing away a few more millions by feigning aggressive interest.  The last time they did this was when they scammed the Red Sox into paying $50mm to negotiate with future hall of famer Dice K.




LOL???  The Yankees haven't taken risks? WHo the heck is CC Sabathia? or Mark Teixeira? or AJ Burnett? 


May 21, 2012 -- 10:44AM, AltaJoe wrote:


I've lived through the late 60's into the mid 70's.  The late 70's into the mid 80's and the late 80's into the mid 90's.  These were the lean times when you celebrated every win because they were few and far between.  I'm not talking about Championships...I'm talking about actual wins.  I fear that after this last incredible run, during which Yankee fans have been embarrasingly arrogent by complaining about "anything less than a Cahampionship is unnacceptable" the days of reckoning are upon us and we're in for some very dark times.




You may be OLD, but you certainly are NOT SMART.


Let's not forget what "Big Stein" did in the 80's ok?




Good HITTING cannot hit Good PITCHING; Good Hitting can only hit BAD PITCHES.
1 year ago  ::  May 21, 2012 - 11:12AM #3
AltaJoe
Posts: 437

IS taking, not HAS taken.  Flunked English?

1 year ago  ::  May 21, 2012 - 11:33AM #4
yank0428
Posts: 3,950

May 21, 2012 -- 10:44AM, AltaJoe wrote:


I'm frightened by the direction this team is taking.   Current ownership seems to have studied the 1960's CBS model and decided that once you take control of an established cash cow, you stop feeding it and milk it until it dies. 

Big Stein knew that you must continue to be bold, and take risks.  His kids are anything but.  Failing to even consider Chapman, Darvish, Cespedes etc is a strong signal that they're coasting.  They didn't even have the brains to bluff the Reds, Rangers, or A's into throwing away a few more millions by feigning aggressive interest.  The last time they did this was when they scammed the Red Sox into paying $50mm to negotiate with future hall of famer Dice K.


I've lived through the late 60's into the mid 70's.  The late 70's into the mid 80's and the late 80's into the mid 90's.  These were the lean times when you celebrated every win because they were few and far between.  I'm not talking about Championships...I'm talking about actual wins.  I fear that after this last incredible run, during which Yankee fans have been embarrasingly arrogent by complaining about "anything less than a Cahampionship is unnacceptable" the days of reckoning are upon us and we're in for some very dark times.




I think everything goes through Hal ,he's  in charge and it's all about getting the payroll to 189 million. He shows no passion for the game. He talked after last season how they will do what it takes to put the best team out there but it's lip service.


 I could not understand how the Yanks let the small market Reds get Chapman when he was there for the asking. I was on here questioning it then. I guessed that the scouts thought he was lacking. After watching him this weekend, somebody should look for another line of work. He makes 2 mill this year. I guees the Yanks had no need for a lefty who throws a 100 MPH and hasn't allowed a run this year. I forgot Cashman signed Feliciano so no need.


 Darvish another brilliant move.  A 25 year old with great stuff. Pass.


The plan is probably to sign Cano,Swisher and Granderson to longterm deals now that they are getting older to keep Arod, Tex and CC company and then hope and pray some of the prospects come through.

1 year ago  ::  May 21, 2012 - 11:36AM #5
fatgiambi
Posts: 1,112

darvish wouldnt have been risky. you want risk: how about signing a guy for $30 mil a year until he's 43. what are the ODDS that he's productive until even age 38. that's risk. how about signing another guy into his mid 30s at $22 mil a year who has the most unorthodox swing the majors has seen in years (tex) that completely lacks a fundamental quality. you know what else is "risky"? signing a 35 year old freddy garcia and hope that he again pitches to a 3.5 era. how about another risk: signing 37 year old kuroda and hoping he somehow translates to the al and isnt in decline mode. our definition of risk needs to be recalibrated around here. all of these 30+ signings and long term deals are the true risk b/c they basically mortgaged the future of the franchise and focused it in the wrong areas.

1 year ago  ::  May 21, 2012 - 11:48AM #6
61in61
Posts: 12,323

May 21, 2012 -- 11:36AM, fatgiambi wrote:


darvish wouldnt have been risky. you want risk: how about signing a guy for $30 mil a year until he's 43. what are the ODDS that he's productive until even age 38. that's risk. how about signing another guy into his mid 30s at $22 mil a year who has the most unorthodox swing the majors has seen in years (tex) that completely lacks a fundamental quality. you know what else is "risky"? signing a 35 year old freddy garcia and hope that he again pitches to a 3.5 era. how about another risk: signing 37 year old kuroda and hoping he somehow translates to the al and isnt in decline mode. our definition of risk needs to be recalibrated around here. all of these 30+ signings and long term deals are the true risk b/c they basically mortgaged the future of the franchise and focused it in the wrong areas.




There was no risk signing A-Rod. It was just flat out stupid. It was an example of a corporate move because the Yanks were afraid they would lose that star drawing card and they were hoping beyond hope that he would bring a homerun record back to NY. I doubt he even passes Mays now, much less Bonds.

1 year ago  ::  May 21, 2012 - 12:04PM #7
IGotYouBabe
Posts: 313

May 21, 2012 -- 11:33AM, yank0428 wrote:

I could not understand how the Yanks let the small market Reds get Chapman when he was there for the asking. I was on here questioning it then.


Darvish another brilliant move.  A 25 year old with great stuff. Pass.


Agree completely. And to add insult to injury, Cashman goes and trades away Montero for another P in the same offseason he could have and should have made a serious bid for Darvish. Terrible.

1 year ago  ::  May 21, 2012 - 12:22PM #8
paterson
Posts: 942

   I have had my say regarding the Montero trade on other forums, but it is done now and we can't call for a do over. The real question is what does the team do to remain competitive into the future. Much of that depends on how serious ownership is about keeping the payroll under 189M. Given the exorbitant contracts given oput already, that is going to difficult if the team wants to keep Swisher, Cano and Granderson around for the next five years. To keep all three will cost 60M or so. That leaves no room for improvement with a farm system that has been less than productive. Could this be the year that the Yankees are sellers at the trade deadline?

1 year ago  ::  May 21, 2012 - 12:48PM #9
yank0428
Posts: 3,950

May 21, 2012 -- 11:48AM, 61in61 wrote:


May 21, 2012 -- 11:36AM, fatgiambi wrote:


darvish wouldnt have been risky. you want risk: how about signing a guy for $30 mil a year until he's 43. what are the ODDS that he's productive until even age 38. that's risk. how about signing another guy into his mid 30s at $22 mil a year who has the most unorthodox swing the majors has seen in years (tex) that completely lacks a fundamental quality. you know what else is "risky"? signing a 35 year old freddy garcia and hope that he again pitches to a 3.5 era. how about another risk: signing 37 year old kuroda and hoping he somehow translates to the al and isnt in decline mode. our definition of risk needs to be recalibrated around here. all of these 30+ signings and long term deals are the true risk b/c they basically mortgaged the future of the franchise and focused it in the wrong areas.




There was no risk signing A-Rod. It was just flat out stupid. It was an example of a corporate move because the Yanks were afraid they would lose that star drawing card and they were hoping beyond hope that he would bring a homerun record back to NY. I doubt he even passes Mays now, much less Bonds.



Even worse 61, when and if the way its going he gets to 660 HR's then the incentives start kicking in that can add up to 30 million for a record that nobody cares about and when he signed the deal nobody knew he had taken steroids. Worst contract ever. Go to the corner Hank and don't leave until the contract is over. George would have sent him to Siberia.


 

1 year ago  ::  May 21, 2012 - 12:56PM #10
AlexRodriguezX
Posts: 3,753

A-Rod has more HR's than Robinson Cano. You guys sound stupid saying Alex lost all his power, He still amazing bat speed.

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