Girardi had a weaker team to work with overall and still won the 2009 WS so I'd give him that, Torre had a power team and won 4 world series.
Not even close: Torre 100, Girardi 36 if it were a basketball score. The team that won 4 WS under Torre wasn't really a power team. They weren't really a power team until 2002 when they signed Giambi and Soriano had a breakout year.
Weaker team? Girardi's jersey could have won the World Series in 2009. You wanna talk about weak teams, look at 1996. That was the last time you could honestly consider the Yankees underdogs to win the World Series. I believe Torre is the guy with 4 rings, so for now (and probably well into the future) the answer will still be Torre.
"There is a fine line between 'extended slump' and 'bad hitter.'"
Well if you're asking about who's been more successful, obviously Torre has.
I think Girardi is the better strategical manager and a better baseball X's and O's manager hands down. I do not believe for one second that the Yankees blow a 3-0 playoff series lead if Girardi is the manager.
With that said, Torre's personality and how he handed his players and the media made him perfect for this job. So it depends on how you look at it.
As a hands on manager I'm saying Girardi.. As a manager that had the most benefits to work with Torre by far.. I was never a big Torre fan, and think if Girardi would have been at the controls he would have done every bit as good or maybe better.. I'm betting we would have never let Boston come back from the dead like we did with Torre at the reins...
Torre did a better job of managing the clubhouse and keeping the press at bay. Girardi is a better on field manager although I have been a bit dissapointed in the fact that he hasn't managed a bit more aggressively. Overall it's hard to argue with Torre's success
Better manager? Trying to compare a manager of 29 years of experience to one who only has 4? LOL.
Let's not forget that Torre brough 15 years of experience as an MLB manager to the NY Yankees which can be described in one word: Clueless. IMO, it was those cluless 15 years that helped him in his 12 years as Yankee manager. Without those 15 years, you probably would get Joe Girardi in bottle in Joe Torre from 1996 to 2001. Heck you know what? Those championship teams assembled by Stick, Cashman, Watson, & Kim Ng were so good, IMO, Stump Merrill could've managed them.
Let's face the facts, Like I mentioned before Torre had so many years of managerial experience prior coming to the Yankees. Then he comes to the Yankees, whose clubhouse culture and attitudes were already in place because of Buck Showalter. This fact, benefitted Torre for the first half of his Yankee career, but when the dynasty team was gone, he was plain crap. Seriously? Torre was outmanaged in the 2002 postseason to an inferior Angel team? Torre was outmanaged in 2003 by the Marlins in the World Series? LOL...Jeff Weaver, extra innings? 2004 Collapse? Torre was outmanaged in 2005 and 2006. Lost 2007, because Torre did not think to remove the team from the field because of all the midges. Please...guys...that was plain dumb. Then in 2008 & 2009, Torre moves on to manage a team in a tremendously WEAK division and his post season fails continues. Then finally, in 2010 in 4th place. Then retirement.
As for Girardi, he had minimal MLB experience as a manager but did experience success in his first managerial stint. Let's be real, 2008 may be Girardi's 2nd year as an MLB manager, but he really was a rookie because he was taking over a New York Yankee ballclub who has a history of firing managers. Then in 2009, the Yankees went on to win the World Series and to make a long story short failed to get the Yankees to win in 2010 & 2011.
With all that being said....
I think a proper test to determine who is the better manager is this: Had Girardi managed the Dynasty teams (including himself) of the late 90's would he have enjoyed the same success as Torre had? IMO, yes. Yes, because those teams, starting with the 1998 was being compared to the 1927 (?) Yankees. Hey, people may agree or disagree on that assessment but the "talk" was there and that needs to be pointed out. In the second of half of Torre's career as Yankee manager, could Girardi have done better? If Girardi was entering his 7th year as Yankee manager (in 2002), then the answer would be YES. One of Torre's biggest flaws as manager was his BULLPEN use and we all saw what he did with it, which was often over-spend it. Remember Paul Quantril? Scott Proctor? These pitchers' arms overused by Torre to the point of almost complete and total ineffectiveness during their Yankee careers. If you measure the way Girardi uses his bullpen now, I can't help think that Quantril and Proctor would've made the difference in 2004 and on, and perhaps gotten the Yankees (at least) a couple more AL Pennants.
So is Girardi the better manager? IMO, not yet. However, I do I think that Girardi is on his way to being a great manager. In his 5 years of managerial experience, the man has enjoyed an enormous amount of success early. He has managed the Yankees based on his experience as a MLB catcher/player; coach under Joe Torre; and as an MLB manager. His GM likes him, his players like him, and he has produced 1 World Series; 2 Division titles; and 1 post season appearance with a team that is NOT comparable to the 1927 Yankees.
The fact that the Yankees are still enjoying success even after the Joe Torre era helps paint the picture of teams' field management in the past 17 years.
I don't dislike Torre, but it is what it is.
"It says that he’s special," Pettitte said of Girardi. "And he’s a great man. I mean, what else can you say? He’s special in every way, and a dear friend to me when I played this game, and amazing to me as a manager. You can’t say much more than he’s a good man and I love him to death." - Andy Pettitte