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13 months ago  ::  May 31, 2012 - 6:43PM #1
craner7
Posts: 12,782
Holder is a disgrace. Fast and Furious, Black Panthers, now riling up the Black folks saying their right to vote is being taken away. Its freeking nuts. You need an ID for MANY things, states are willling to give them for FREE! If you need a photo ID for so many things, why not to vote?

We know why he's fighting it. Please tell me you agree its a very reasonable requirement to vote. And agree Obama should fire his arse.


Can anyone think of an innocuous reason that President Barack Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder oppose state voter ID laws?


Obama and Holder appear to view almost everything through the prism of race or, at the very least, use race as an excuse to justify otherwise very dubious policies, from immigration enforcement to voter intimidation actions to strong-arming banks to make loans via allegations of racism.


In December, along these lines, Holder criticized redistricting maps that had been drawn by the Texas Legislature and used the opportunity to call for an aggressive federal review of voter identification laws in not just Texas but other states.


But what does all this have to do with voter ID laws? Well, Republicans have been engaged in lobbying for state voter ID laws throughout the nation as an effort to enhance fair and lawful elections and prevent voter fraud. These laws are simple and transparent; they would require voters to present a government-issued form of identification as a condition to voting.


Predictably, Democrats — led by Obama and Holder — claim that the move is a GOP ruse to suppress minority voting. Holder called on the parties “to resist the temptation to suppress certain votes in the hope of attaining electoral success and, instead, achieve success by appealing to more voters.”


Notice the automatic assumption and, in turn, barely veiled accusation of GOP racism. Notice further how utterly patronizing Holder’s attitude is to minorities.


Is Holder’s position that minorities are incapable of or ill-equipped at obtaining identification to vote? Why shouldn’t people be required to prove they are who they say they are in order to participate in the electoral process?


I would think minorities would be offended at the suggestion that laws requiring them to prove their identity as a prerequisite to voting would somehow disadvantage them. I would think they would have every bit as much interest in ensuring fair, fraud-free elections as non-minorities.


It is sheer common sense that our election authorities should demand proof of the identity of all voters before allowing them to cast votes that will ultimately determine critical decisions affecting the future of their state and nation. I don’t remember ever being allowed to vote, by the way, without presenting an ID, even though the precinct workers know me and I know them. This isn’t the least bit offensive, but even if it were, it wouldn’t justify jeopardizing the integrity of elections.


Political correctness causes people to adopt absurd and indefensible positions, which is precisely how we should characterize efforts to resist voter ID laws.


Obama, Holder and the Democratic Party establishment don’t even bother to counter the irrefutable argument that proof of ID is essential to reduce voter fraud. Instead, they just throw out the slanderous allegation that the GOP is trying to suppress the minority vote, which itself is born of the same type of categorical judgment about groups of people that lies at the heart of the sin of racism.


I am not a big fan of so-called bipartisanship, because I think it’s a one-way street for Democrats, who only demand it when they want Republicans to cater to their demands, and not the other way around. I’m also realistic enough to recognize that today the parties are so far apart in their goals for the nation and the means to achieve them that we’re just better off presenting our alternative cases to the people and letting them decide. But if there were ever an issue that screams out for bipartisanship, ensuring fair elections by verifying the identity of voters would have to be at the top of the list.


The administration’s cavalier dismissiveness about the need for voter identification to improve ballot security has been exposed as the cynical fraud it is with the recent release of a video from filmmaker James O’Keefe. The video showed how easy it was for O’Keefe to vote under Eric Holder’s name in Holder’s polling place without presenting identification. The poll worker, who obviously didn’t know O’Keefe, much less Eric Holder, didn’t even want to be bothered with the presentation of an ID. “As long as you’re in here and you’re on our list and that’s who you say you are, we’re OK,” he said.


It’s outrageous that Holder is accusing Republicans of wanting to suppress the minority vote through these laws. But it’s not outrageous to suggest that Holder and his party, through their specious invocation of the race card to oppose these laws, have no legitimate basis to oppose them and indeed must have an ulterior reason for doing so — one that involves rigging the election process in their favor.




13 months ago  ::  May 31, 2012 - 7:12PM #2
newinn
Posts: 13,748

Do you believe voter fraud is honestly the only motivation for Republicans to want voter ID? What voters aside from the fraudulent ones would be most impacted by such a law? Is there any data  on approx how many fraudulent votes were cast in the last Presidential election?

13 months ago  ::  May 31, 2012 - 9:35PM #3
Boardroomjimmy aka Mr. Meebo
Posts: 3,297

May 31, 2012 -- 7:12PM, newinn wrote:


Do you believe voter fraud is honestly the only motivation for Republicans to want voter ID? What voters aside from the fraudulent ones would be most impacted by such a law? Is there any data  on approx how many fraudulent votes were cast in the last Presidential election?





there's a stickin out it's tongue smiley comin with all the proof you'll ever need.

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13 months ago  ::  May 31, 2012 - 10:47PM #4
JoeGNJ
Posts: 9,585

May 31, 2012 -- 7:12PM, newinn wrote:


Do you believe voter fraud is honestly the only motivation for Republicans to want voter ID? What voters aside from the fraudulent ones would be most impacted by such a law? Is there any data  on approx how many fraudulent votes were cast in the last Presidential election?




Whats the other motivation?

JoeGNJ
13 months ago  ::  May 31, 2012 - 10:49PM #5
JoeGNJ
Posts: 9,585

May 31, 2012 -- 6:43PM, craner7 wrote:

Holder is a disgrace. Fast and Furious, Black Panthers, now riling up the Black folks saying their right to vote is being taken away. Its freeking nuts. You need an ID for MANY things, states are willling to give them for FREE! If you need a photo ID for so many things, why not to vote?

We know why he's fighting it. Please tell me you agree its a very reasonable requirement to vote. And agree Obama should fire his arse.


Can anyone think of an innocuous reason that President Barack Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder oppose state voter ID laws?


Obama and Holder appear to view almost everything through the prism of race or, at the very least, use race as an excuse to justify otherwise very dubious policies, from immigration enforcement to voter intimidation actions to strong-arming banks to make loans via allegations of racism.


In December, along these lines, Holder criticized redistricting maps that had been drawn by the Texas Legislature and used the opportunity to call for an aggressive federal review of voter identification laws in not just Texas but other states.


But what does all this have to do with voter ID laws? Well, Republicans have been engaged in lobbying for state voter ID laws throughout the nation as an effort to enhance fair and lawful elections and prevent voter fraud. These laws are simple and transparent; they would require voters to present a government-issued form of identification as a condition to voting.


Predictably, Democrats — led by Obama and Holder — claim that the move is a GOP ruse to suppress minority voting. Holder called on the parties “to resist the temptation to suppress certain votes in the hope of attaining electoral success and, instead, achieve success by appealing to more voters.”


Notice the automatic assumption and, in turn, barely veiled accusation of GOP racism. Notice further how utterly patronizing Holder’s attitude is to minorities.


Is Holder’s position that minorities are incapable of or ill-equipped at obtaining identification to vote? Why shouldn’t people be required to prove they are who they say they are in order to participate in the electoral process?


I would think minorities would be offended at the suggestion that laws requiring them to prove their identity as a prerequisite to voting would somehow disadvantage them. I would think they would have every bit as much interest in ensuring fair, fraud-free elections as non-minorities.


It is sheer common sense that our election authorities should demand proof of the identity of all voters before allowing them to cast votes that will ultimately determine critical decisions affecting the future of their state and nation. I don’t remember ever being allowed to vote, by the way, without presenting an ID, even though the precinct workers know me and I know them. This isn’t the least bit offensive, but even if it were, it wouldn’t justify jeopardizing the integrity of elections.


Political correctness causes people to adopt absurd and indefensible positions, which is precisely how we should characterize efforts to resist voter ID laws.


Obama, Holder and the Democratic Party establishment don’t even bother to counter the irrefutable argument that proof of ID is essential to reduce voter fraud. Instead, they just throw out the slanderous allegation that the GOP is trying to suppress the minority vote, which itself is born of the same type of categorical judgment about groups of people that lies at the heart of the sin of racism.


I am not a big fan of so-called bipartisanship, because I think it’s a one-way street for Democrats, who only demand it when they want Republicans to cater to their demands, and not the other way around. I’m also realistic enough to recognize that today the parties are so far apart in their goals for the nation and the means to achieve them that we’re just better off presenting our alternative cases to the people and letting them decide. But if there were ever an issue that screams out for bipartisanship, ensuring fair elections by verifying the identity of voters would have to be at the top of the list.


The administration’s cavalier dismissiveness about the need for voter identification to improve ballot security has been exposed as the cynical fraud it is with the recent release of a video from filmmaker James O’Keefe. The video showed how easy it was for O’Keefe to vote under Eric Holder’s name in Holder’s polling place without presenting identification. The poll worker, who obviously didn’t know O’Keefe, much less Eric Holder, didn’t even want to be bothered with the presentation of an ID. “As long as you’re in here and you’re on our list and that’s who you say you are, we’re OK,” he said.


It’s outrageous that Holder is accusing Republicans of wanting to suppress the minority vote through these laws. But it’s not outrageous to suggest that Holder and his party, through their specious invocation of the race card to oppose these laws, have no legitimate basis to oppose them and indeed must have an ulterior reason for doing so — one that involves rigging the election process in their favor.






Craner, my Mom, going on age 91, couldnt get a friggin BEER at Yankee Stadium, on her OWN,  b/c she didnt have a photo ID. Theres not a THING wrong making sure voters are wo they say they are.

JoeGNJ
13 months ago  ::  May 31, 2012 - 10:52PM #6
craner7
Posts: 12,782

May 31, 2012 -- 10:47PM, JoeGNJ wrote:


May 31, 2012 -- 7:12PM, newinn wrote:


Do you believe voter fraud is honestly the only motivation for Republicans to want voter ID? What voters aside from the fraudulent ones would be most impacted by such a law? Is there any data  on approx how many fraudulent votes were cast in the last Presidential election?




Whats the other motivation?




I'm wondering that too.

13 months ago  ::  May 31, 2012 - 11:00PM #7
craner7
Posts: 12,782

May 31, 2012 -- 7:12PM, newinn wrote:


Do you believe voter fraud is honestly the only motivation for Republicans to want voter ID? What voters aside from the fraudulent ones would be most impacted by such a law? Is there any data  on approx how many fraudulent votes were cast in the last Presidential election?




I Def do not think its so minorities cant vote. That makes zero sense. I dont know off hand how many fraudulent votes were counted...but shouldn't all of us demandto have as pure an election as humanley possible? Photo ID for voting makes perfect legit sense and should have been the norm long ago. We need it to buy a beer, a pack of smokes, to enter Eric holders DOJ building, some stores want my ID when I buy something with my debit card...on and on and on. States are offering FREE ID's so cost wont be a burden. This is a no brainer, prove who you are beofre you elect our leaders.


I'd like to know why is it that the Democrat party is fighting it so hard, let by this disgrace of an Admin? The answer isnt tough to figure out.

13 months ago  ::  May 31, 2012 - 11:04PM #8
craner7
Posts: 12,782

May 31, 2012 -- 10:49PM, JoeGNJ wrote:






Craner, my Mom, going on age 91, couldnt get a friggin BEER at Yankee Stadium, on her OWN,  b/c she didnt have a photo ID. Theres not a THING wrong making sure voters are wo they say they are.




How its dienfranchising anyone's right to vote is so beyond comprehending it's silly. Again, ALL of us should want as close to a pure election as possible.


As to fraud voting I seem to remember an article saying thousands of dead people in Florida were eligible. Just pop on in there, say you're Joe cool whose been dead 10 yrs and vote...probably for Obama.

13 months ago  ::  Jun 01, 2012 - 12:22AM #9
Yankee1954
Posts: 8,749

May 31, 2012 -- 6:43PM, craner7 wrote:

Holder is a disgrace. Fast and Furious, Black Panthers, now riling up the Black folks saying their right to vote is being taken away. Its freeking nuts. You need an ID for MANY things, states are willling to give them for FREE! If you need a photo ID for so many things, why not to vote?

We know why he's fighting it. Please tell me you agree its a very reasonable requirement to vote. And agree Obama should fire his arse.


Can anyone think of an innocuous reason that President Barack Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder oppose state voter ID laws?


Obama and Holder appear to view almost everything through the prism of race or, at the very least, use race as an excuse to justify otherwise very dubious policies, from immigration enforcement to voter intimidation actions to strong-arming banks to make loans via allegations of racism.


In December, along these lines, Holder criticized redistricting maps that had been drawn by the Texas Legislature and used the opportunity to call for an aggressive federal review of voter identification laws in not just Texas but other states.


But what does all this have to do with voter ID laws? Well, Republicans have been engaged in lobbying for state voter ID laws throughout the nation as an effort to enhance fair and lawful elections and prevent voter fraud. These laws are simple and transparent; they would require voters to present a government-issued form of identification as a condition to voting.


Predictably, Democrats — led by Obama and Holder — claim that the move is a GOP ruse to suppress minority voting. Holder called on the parties “to resist the temptation to suppress certain votes in the hope of attaining electoral success and, instead, achieve success by appealing to more voters.”


Notice the automatic assumption and, in turn, barely veiled accusation of GOP racism. Notice further how utterly patronizing Holder’s attitude is to minorities.


Is Holder’s position that minorities are incapable of or ill-equipped at obtaining identification to vote? Why shouldn’t people be required to prove they are who they say they are in order to participate in the electoral process?


I would think minorities would be offended at the suggestion that laws requiring them to prove their identity as a prerequisite to voting would somehow disadvantage them. I would think they would have every bit as much interest in ensuring fair, fraud-free elections as non-minorities.


It is sheer common sense that our election authorities should demand proof of the identity of all voters before allowing them to cast votes that will ultimately determine critical decisions affecting the future of their state and nation. I don’t remember ever being allowed to vote, by the way, without presenting an ID, even though the precinct workers know me and I know them. This isn’t the least bit offensive, but even if it were, it wouldn’t justify jeopardizing the integrity of elections.


Political correctness causes people to adopt absurd and indefensible positions, which is precisely how we should characterize efforts to resist voter ID laws.


Obama, Holder and the Democratic Party establishment don’t even bother to counter the irrefutable argument that proof of ID is essential to reduce voter fraud. Instead, they just throw out the slanderous allegation that the GOP is trying to suppress the minority vote, which itself is born of the same type of categorical judgment about groups of people that lies at the heart of the sin of racism.


I am not a big fan of so-called bipartisanship, because I think it’s a one-way street for Democrats, who only demand it when they want Republicans to cater to their demands, and not the other way around. I’m also realistic enough to recognize that today the parties are so far apart in their goals for the nation and the means to achieve them that we’re just better off presenting our alternative cases to the people and letting them decide. But if there were ever an issue that screams out for bipartisanship, ensuring fair elections by verifying the identity of voters would have to be at the top of the list.


The administration’s cavalier dismissiveness about the need for voter identification to improve ballot security has been exposed as the cynical fraud it is with the recent release of a video from filmmaker James O’Keefe. The video showed how easy it was for O’Keefe to vote under Eric Holder’s name in Holder’s polling place without presenting identification. The poll worker, who obviously didn’t know O’Keefe, much less Eric Holder, didn’t even want to be bothered with the presentation of an ID. “As long as you’re in here and you’re on our list and that’s who you say you are, we’re OK,” he said.


It’s outrageous that Holder is accusing Republicans of wanting to suppress the minority vote through these laws. But it’s not outrageous to suggest that Holder and his party, through their specious invocation of the race card to oppose these laws, have no legitimate basis to oppose them and indeed must have an ulterior reason for doing so — one that involves rigging the election process in their favor.






Sorry Craner but these Con governors are the ones pushing t.his. There hasn't been any fraud to cause this, just more garbage by Cons to suppress thvote the. How American!

13 months ago  ::  Jun 01, 2012 - 5:47AM #10
newinn
Posts: 13,748

May 31, 2012 -- 11:00PM, craner7 wrote:


May 31, 2012 -- 7:12PM, newinn wrote:


Do you believe voter fraud is honestly the only motivation for Republicans to want voter ID? What voters aside from the fraudulent ones would be most impacted by such a law? Is there any data  on approx how many fraudulent votes were cast in the last Presidential election?




I Def do not think its so minorities cant vote. That makes zero sense. I dont know off hand how many fraudulent votes were counted...but shouldn't all of us demandto have as pure an election as humanley possible? Photo ID for voting makes perfect legit sense and should have been the norm long ago. We need it to buy a beer, a pack of smokes, to enter Eric holders DOJ building, some stores want my ID when I buy something with my debit card...on and on and on. States are offering FREE ID's so cost wont be a burden. This is a no brainer, prove who you are beofre you elect our leaders.


I'd like to know why is it that the Democrat party is fighting it so hard, let by this disgrace of an Admin? The answer isnt tough to figure out.




I don't think it racial but I do think it will create a bigger challenge for those living in the cities that are more likely to vote Democrat. Politician don't count votes by a persons color but by who any given group might vote for. I'm sure the Dems would like to figure out how to stop Seniors in Fla. from voting.


True story, in the last last local election, my mother was almost prevented from voting (I had no idea that Ct. had a voter ID law because I honestly don't remember ever being asked for ID before and my mother probably hadn't missed voting in close to 70 years) because she didn't have a picture ID. The chairlady of the election committee knew her from senior citizen outings and vouched for her. I don't know if by the letter of the law that was even legal but she was allowed to vote.


I don't know how I stand on this issue. I wish I knew more statistically. If in fact it will prevent little fraud but disenfranchise a large number  voters (it's ashame so few exercise their right to vote as it is) I would be oppossed. If voter fraud is a major issue, I would have no problem with it. 

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