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12 months ago  ::  Jun 28, 2012 - 10:07AM #21
grudz
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Jun 28, 2012 -- 1:04AM, AJFreeway wrote:


Jun 27, 2012 -- 11:11PM, laurenfrances wrote:


Talk about who is not reacting well, it's me. After hearing the news via Sterling at work, you bet it upset me. I was so looking forward to a season of Andy Pettitte.  I just hope he can recoup from his situation to participate in Post Season baseball (an assumption on my part).  Anytime you lose two top of the rotation pitcher, there is concern.  


Our offense need to deliver more runs to make up the difference.  Additionally it's an opportunity for Warren/Phelps to play in the Bigs as Garcia gets another chance to start. Lets hope Warren, Phelps, and Garcia provide good stuff so Cashman doesn't have to get bleed during mid season trades.  It's time to put aside my concerns and see what comes ahead....I don't have any choice anyway.....




I'm hoping they can go 5-5 over their next 10 games. Try and take 3 of 4 from the White Sox, then go 2-4 against Tampa and Boston. Win 1 game in both of those series and you avoid either team picking up much ground.




First of all, I believe it's a four game series at Fenway with one of those day/night doubleheaders on Saturday July 7th (to make up for the rainout on April 22nd).  Boston's playing very well.  They're good now.  I'd be very happy with a split of those four games.  Yanks will have Kuroda, Hughes, Garcia, and Nova pitching those four games.


Second of all, Tampa really stinks now.  They can't hit their way our of a phone booth, they are 13-19 since late May (8-18 if you don't count the games with the even more pathetic Marlins).  And the Yanks will have law of averages on their side in that series since they were swept at the Trop in April, so they can't possibly be swept again.  Even though Tampa will throw Moore, Shields, and Price in those three games, I want to win the series 2-1.


And I would like to see 3-1 vs. the White Sox this weekend.  They're pitching two rookies, even though one of them, a tricky little Yankee discard named Quinitana, has been amazing so far.


That would mean 7-4 in the 11 games leading to the break and a record of 53-32 at the break.  I'd definitely sign up for that right now.

Grudz
12 months ago  ::  Jun 28, 2012 - 12:26PM #22
ArtVandelay
Posts: 10,085

we'll continue to kick ass until the ASB....   happy with 5-5???  what a bunch of marys here!

12 months ago  ::  Jun 28, 2012 - 12:29PM #23
ArtVandelay
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Jun 27, 2012 -- 7:20PM, JonahFalcon wrote:

www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2012/06/and...



you are the Hedda Hopper of the YES Boards...

12 months ago  ::  Jun 28, 2012 - 12:41PM #24
LouHermanMantle
Posts: 376

The biggest Yankee prospect in recent history was traded for the possible Number 2 of the Rotation.. Not only did this Number 2 not show his dominating stuff from last year, he hasn't and wont show up for the 2012 Yankees... 


Result: First place in the AL East


One of the greatest pitchers of all time goes down shagging fly balls.. The two options are a pitcher they call Houdini for his nack of getting out of the trouble he creates for himself and the other option a guy who proved to be an overpaid 7th inning guy last year...


Result: Best Winning Percentage in Baseball


Speedy left fielder goes out. LF being manned by old players or guys who wouldn't start on their college teams... 


Result: 10 Game Win Streak followed by a current 5 Game Win Streak.....ALL Against teams with Winning records



Our two best pitchers go down.. 1 for 2 weeks, the other for about 10 Weeks


Results: Pending



I dont know if you guys have noticed, but with all the injuries and flaws this team has, and has endured, this team is making it happen. This team is playing together. This is no longer a team of 1 or 2 superstars that guide the team to the playoffs to later be manhandled.. they are learning to play as a team. I guess those superstars have finally matured and understood the concept of a team game. Im not worried about it. Besides, I rather them get hit with injuries in May, June, and July than have to deal with them in September or October. 

12 months ago  ::  Jun 28, 2012 - 12:46PM #25
ArtVandelay
Posts: 10,085

Jun 28, 2012 -- 12:41PM, LouHermanMantle wrote:


The biggest Yankee prospect in recent history was traded for the possible Number 2 of the Rotation.. Not only did this Number 2 not show his dominating stuff from last year, he hasn't and wont show up for the 2012 Yankees... 


Result: First place in the AL East


One of the greatest pitchers of all time goes down shagging fly balls.. The two options are a pitcher they call Houdini for his nack of getting out of the trouble he creates for himself and the other option a guy who proved to be an overpaid 7th inning guy last year...


Result: Best Winning Percentage in Baseball


Speedy left fielder goes out. LF being manned by old players or guys who wouldn't start on their college teams... 


Result: 10 Game Win Streak followed by a current 5 Game Win Streak.....ALL Against teams with Winning records



Our two best pitchers go down.. 1 for 2 weeks, the other for about 10 Weeks


Results: Pending



I dont know if you guys have noticed, but with all the injuries and flaws this team has, and has endured, this team is making it happen. This team is playing together. This is no longer a team of 1 or 2 superstars that guide the team to the playoffs to later be manhandled.. they are learning to play as a team. I guess those superstars have finally matured and understood the concept of a team game. Im not worried about it. Besides, I rather them get hit with injuries in May, June, and July than have to deal with them in September or October. 




all of the above...


Results: fans slowly start to panic predicting this first place, best team in the game club will be lucky to play .500 ball up until the ASB - some are even beginning to show their usual "I'm afraid of the Red Sox" colors....

12 months ago  ::  Jun 28, 2012 - 12:51PM #26
LouHermanMantle
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Art, brother, Im a fan of baseball. I've witnessed the Yankees win more championships than most teams have in their history over the last 20 years. If other teams win, then so be it.. As much as I love the Yankees, you might agree with me on this Art, I really have an issue with the fanbase. 

12 months ago  ::  Jun 28, 2012 - 1:02PM #27
ArtVandelay
Posts: 10,085

Jun 28, 2012 -- 12:51PM, LouHermanMantle wrote:


Art, brother, Im a fan of baseball. I've witnessed the Yankees win more championships than most teams have in their history over the last 20 years. If other teams win, then so be it.. As much as I love the Yankees, you might agree with me on this Art, I really have an issue with the fanbase. 




we are on the same page my friend...  much of the fanbase here is delusional, I hear so much about "failure" and yet since '95 we are in the midst of a playoff run that we will never see again in our lifetimes...  to me being a Yankee fan is pure sports heaven no matter what the result is in the end.  If a fan can't just sit back and enjoy these times we are in then they should seriously go watch the WNBA or WWF were you can easily predict the outcome...


BTW - talking about improving the team or where our weaknesses are is just something fans do, see a Big Guy or qwik post for reference, it's the whining and crying that gets old, see an AJ or rat post for reference...

12 months ago  ::  Jun 28, 2012 - 2:38PM #28
hampfan
Posts: 907


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all of the above...


Results: fans slowly start to panic predicting this first place, best team in the game club will be lucky to play .500 ball up until the ASB - some are even beginning to show their usual "I'm afraid of the Red Sox" colors....


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Can't help it. You don't live where I do. The happy, smiling face of Valentine in the local paper's recent and almost daily sports pages sickens. B fans making whoopee about the latest Sox surge and/or Yankee woes, ditto. But if you believe in us, why am I worrying--that's all that matters, right? Nonetheless, the team has flaws that need repairing for a serious run to the WS this year, IMO, like it or not, say what you will, etc. (E.g., Martin's "great" offense; A-Rod's consistent, offensive impotence; Jeter's return to single****; Granderson's lovely strikeouts; and so on.) And this was so before Mariano, Gardner and Pettitte's injuries. The front pitching got us into first, dreaming of how wonderful we were again. Now....

12 months ago  ::  Jun 28, 2012 - 3:06PM #29
LouHermanMantle
Posts: 376

Name me one team that doesn't have flaws?


It's not the desire to improve the team that bothers me, that's every fans desire... For example, I could say, well Wade did well last year, let's give him a shot at redeeming himself, but if it's obvious that it's not working out we have Aardsma getting better, there's a few guys in the minors, let's see how soon Joba gets healthy..  


OR


The majority of the team has an ok batting average.. Maybe we can switch around the lineup..  Or bring up a guy like Russell Branyan, or give Mustelier an opportunity. Or maybe we can trade for a guy on a team that is struggling and needs a little salary relief as a LF or 4th OFer...



But that's not what the Yankee fans today do... 


If Swisher is struggling, let's go trade for Justin Upton, if Gardner is hurt, let's go get Josh Hamilton... Now that CC is hurt, as well as Andy, let's see if we can land Felix Hernandez.. 


There is no patience. Everything has to be right now. It's as if we expect them to win 173 Games year in and out.. We dont believe in promoting from within, it's all about making the blockbuster trades, that if God forbid dont work out, we crucify Cashman for not making the right move.......mind you, the ones crucifying him are the ones that wanted the trade to begin with. It's about signing the highest profile Free Agent... and everyone is calender watching for July 2nd. Cause if there is ANY international player worth it, the Yankees better be in on it... If it were up to most fans, the Yankees would have signed Soler, Puig, Concepcion, the kid the Rangers got, and possibly Cespedes as the replacement for Swisher whom we should have traded for Cy Young or something.. 


I mean, seriously. There is no patience on behalf of this fanbase and most of the talks dealing with transactions are as absurd as they come. The Yankees should just save money, eliminate a farm system, take that money, impliment in hiring the know-it-all fans to conduct their day to day operations. If a guy goes a week where he bats .150... TRADE HIM NOW!

12 months ago  ::  Jun 28, 2012 - 4:49PM #30
hampfan
Posts: 907

Jun 28, 2012 -- 3:06PM, LouHermanMantle wrote:


Name me one team that doesn't have flaws?


It's not the desire to improve the team that bothers me, that's every fans desire... For example, I could say, well Wade did well last year, let's give him a shot at redeeming himself, but if it's obvious that it's not working out we have Aardsma getting better, there's a few guys in the minors, let's see how soon Joba gets healthy..  


OR


The majority of the team has an ok batting average.. Maybe we can switch around the lineup..  Or bring up a guy like Russell Branyan, or give Mustelier an opportunity. Or maybe we can trade for a guy on a team that is struggling and needs a little salary relief as a LF or 4th OFer...


But that's not what the Yankee fans today do... 


If Swisher is struggling, let's go trade for Justin Upton, if Gardner is hurt, let's go get Josh Hamilton... Now that CC is hurt, as well as Andy, let's see if we can land Felix Hernandez.. 


There is no patience. Everything has to be right now. It's as if we expect them to win 173 Games year in and out.. We dont believe in promoting from within, it's all about making the blockbuster trades, that if God forbid dont work out, we crucify Cashman for not making the right move.......mind you, the ones crucifying him are the ones that wanted the trade to begin with. It's about signing the highest profile Free Agent.


I agree with you: promote from within. I'm not for going outside our system first and in a panic that gives away too much for too little. But Cashman doesn't really push offensive minor-league players into our 25-man major-league team. At least I don't see him do that. Montero came up last September, for example, not before; nor did anyone push to have him play in the playoffs where/when we could have used him. We see Wise or Dickerson come up before a Pearce or a Mustelier, meaning defense trumps offense. I fear Mustelier will be traded for some B+ (at best) pitcher outside our system, since our FO seems content to fatten him up as trade-bait at AAA. Why not give him a chance first? I'm all for what you say: patience. But there's always a "but": here a "but also" find a way to get our older players out, and younger players in. Prep Sanchez to come up earlier, say, at least to AAA by next year so that we won't be saddled with a Martin and/or Cervelli for the next three years. Just a thought.

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