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Cabrera wins MVP
2 years ago  ::  Nov 16, 2012 - 9:32PM #21
LiferYank
Posts: 4,638

Nov 16, 2012 -- 5:54PM, yank0428 wrote:


Nov 16, 2012 -- 3:36PM, LiferYank wrote:


Nov 16, 2012 -- 11:30AM, yank0428 wrote:


Nov 16, 2012 -- 11:17AM, LiferYank wrote:


Nov 16, 2012 -- 11:11AM, yank0428 wrote:


Nov 16, 2012 -- 1:10AM, LiferYank wrote:


Nov 15, 2012 -- 9:09PM, yank0428 wrote:


Nov 15, 2012 -- 8:00PM, LiferYank wrote:


Nov 15, 2012 -- 6:47PM, JonahFalcon wrote:

Eat it, Sabermetricians. Stuff your WAR up your buttocks.




Triple Crown... That and most voters dont give a damn about defense.



  



Take that NY Jeter fans... I was right... Again.




YES should take a poll who Yankee fans think was the teams MVP. People who watch every game , not some newspaper guy who covers the Brewers and see how right you are. Unless you think that guy knows more then true Yankee fans. I'll go with what the Yankees fans think and you can go with the guy who's head is looking into a stat book who might see the Yanks play a few games all year. 


"Take that NY Jeter fans... I was right... Again."  


 No need to make a comment about that statement. I think that tells all you need to know about your issues.





No i think people who watch more then Yankee games alone know the game better then Jeter fans. There are some very knowlegable people on this site and then there are people that are more Jeter fans then Yankee fans. I'm a die hard Yankee fan but i also watch a ton of baseball outside of the Yankees. Jeter had a great great year at the plate but his defense which was never good is even worse now. He makes the plays he can get to but that is the point. He doesnt have much range at all. Cano on the other hand is a top defensive 2b year in and year out. There is more to the game then BA and RBI's folks....



Undere your logic then Trout should have won over Cabrera. Also watching a lot of other games might make someone more qualified to select the MVP of the league but not the most valueable player on a team fans watch every day. Cano had a great last 2 weeks of the season and prior to that a subpar year. Jeter was a rock all year.
 Both New York voters — George King and Mark Feinsand — had Jeter ahead of Robinson Cano on their ballots. I guess their Jeter fans also.




I've been saying for Months that Trout was the MVP /shrug and i still believe that.



For months. I thought it was based on the whole season.


 To write that Jeter is bad with the glove makes you question if you have a big Cano poster in your room.He was very steady this year. Cano is a great glove but even there he wasn't as good as past years. A lot of easy flubs. If Cano put up close to Cabrera numbers which he is very capable of this is not even a discussion.


 No comment on both NY votes going for Jeter. /Shrug   





Again .. Jeter makes the plays he gets to. He has very limited range.  I dont have any posters in my room i am not 12.




So the writers who aren't from NY have Cano 4th and Jeter 7th so that makes you right again. But the writers also had Cabrera 1st and Trout 2nd. You thought that Trout should be 1st. Does that make you wrong again?   /Shrug




I never said i was always right now did I. One had Jeter 3rd and one had him 5th... Whoopie. I am hardly the only person who thinks Trout deserved MVP even with Miggy getting the TC.

2 years ago  ::  Nov 17, 2012 - 1:25AM #22
qwik3457
Posts: 6,594

Normally, I would back the guy who led the league in WAR by 2 WAR, and led his competition by nearly 4 WAR, and perhaps Trout should've won the MVP.


But I also knew Cabrera would win it, and easily:


1) He's had a career of MVP seasons, and never won one before, despite 5 previous seasons in the top 5.


2) He won the triple crown, 1st time in 45 years anyone did that.


3) He led his team from behind to a divisional title, hitting brilliantly down the stretch.


4) He led the league in RBI by a decent margin.


5) He made a shift to a tougher position to allow the Tigers to add another MVP level bat to their lineup.


6) Trout cooled off the last 35-40 games, still playing at a very good level, but not near what he was doing before.


7) The Angels played more or less .500 ball down the last 3-4 weeks of the season, blowing a playoff spot that seemed to be theirs for the taking in early September.


Maybe all of these MVP "vote markers" aren't equal to 3.8 bWAR, but based on past voting, it would've been shocking had Cabrera not won the MVP vote.


Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber
2 years ago  ::  Nov 17, 2012 - 1:42AM #23
yank0428
Posts: 7,538

Nov 16, 2012 -- 9:32PM, LiferYank wrote:


Nov 16, 2012 -- 5:54PM, yank0428 wrote:


Nov 16, 2012 -- 3:36PM, LiferYank wrote:


Nov 16, 2012 -- 11:30AM, yank0428 wrote:


Nov 16, 2012 -- 11:17AM, LiferYank wrote:


Nov 16, 2012 -- 11:11AM, yank0428 wrote:


Nov 16, 2012 -- 1:10AM, LiferYank wrote:


Nov 15, 2012 -- 9:09PM, yank0428 wrote:


Nov 15, 2012 -- 8:00PM, LiferYank wrote:


Nov 15, 2012 -- 6:47PM, JonahFalcon wrote:

Eat it, Sabermetricians. Stuff your WAR up your buttocks.




Triple Crown... That and most voters dont give a damn about defense.



  



Take that NY Jeter fans... I was right... Again.




YES should take a poll who Yankee fans think was the teams MVP. People who watch every game , not some newspaper guy who covers the Brewers and see how right you are. Unless you think that guy knows more then true Yankee fans. I'll go with what the Yankees fans think and you can go with the guy who's head is looking into a stat book who might see the Yanks play a few games all year. 


"Take that NY Jeter fans... I was right... Again."  


 No need to make a comment about that statement. I think that tells all you need to know about your issues.





No i think people who watch more then Yankee games alone know the game better then Jeter fans. There are some very knowlegable people on this site and then there are people that are more Jeter fans then Yankee fans. I'm a die hard Yankee fan but i also watch a ton of baseball outside of the Yankees. Jeter had a great great year at the plate but his defense which was never good is even worse now. He makes the plays he can get to but that is the point. He doesnt have much range at all. Cano on the other hand is a top defensive 2b year in and year out. There is more to the game then BA and RBI's folks....



Undere your logic then Trout should have won over Cabrera. Also watching a lot of other games might make someone more qualified to select the MVP of the league but not the most valueable player on a team fans watch every day. Cano had a great last 2 weeks of the season and prior to that a subpar year. Jeter was a rock all year.
 Both New York voters — George King and Mark Feinsand — had Jeter ahead of Robinson Cano on their ballots. I guess their Jeter fans also.




I've been saying for Months that Trout was the MVP /shrug and i still believe that.



For months. I thought it was based on the whole season.


 To write that Jeter is bad with the glove makes you question if you have a big Cano poster in your room.He was very steady this year. Cano is a great glove but even there he wasn't as good as past years. A lot of easy flubs. If Cano put up close to Cabrera numbers which he is very capable of this is not even a discussion.


 No comment on both NY votes going for Jeter. /Shrug   





Again .. Jeter makes the plays he gets to. He has very limited range.  I dont have any posters in my room i am not 12.




So the writers who aren't from NY have Cano 4th and Jeter 7th so that makes you right again. But the writers also had Cabrera 1st and Trout 2nd. You thought that Trout should be 1st. Does that make you wrong again?   /Shrug




I never said i was always right now did I. One had Jeter 3rd and one had him 5th... Whoopie. I am hardly the only person who thinks Trout deserved MVP even with Miggy getting the TC.




  "Take that NY Jeter fans... I was right... Again."  You wrote that. I never wrote that you were never wrong. I sure you wrong quite often.


 

2 years ago  ::  Nov 17, 2012 - 8:21AM #24
LiferYank
Posts: 4,638

Nov 17, 2012 -- 1:25AM, qwik3457 wrote:


Normally, I would back the guy who led the league in WAR by 2 WAR, and led his competition by nearly 4 WAR, and perhaps Trout should've won the MVP.


But I also knew Cabrera would win it, and easily:


1) He's had a career of MVP seasons, and never won one before, despite 5 previous seasons in the top 5.


2) He won the triple crown, 1st time in 45 years anyone did that.


3) He led his team from behind to a divisional title, hitting brilliantly down the stretch.


4) He led the league in RBI by a decent margin.


5) He made a shift to a tougher position to allow the Tigers to add another MVP level bat to their lineup.


6) Trout cooled off the last 35-40 games, still playing at a very good level, but not near what he was doing before.


7) The Angels played more or less .500 ball down the last 3-4 weeks of the season, blowing a playoff spot that seemed to be theirs for the taking in early September.


Maybe all of these MVP "vote markers" aren't equal to 3.8 bWAR, but based on past voting, it would've been shocking had Cabrera not won the MVP vote.






.366 and .380 OBP in August and Sept with 17 SB and 1 cs. He only "cooled off" his historic pace.



I actually feel bad for the kid. There is a very small chance he could have a better year next year almost anything is going to disapoint Angels fans.

2 years ago  ::  Nov 21, 2012 - 12:13AM #25
qwik3457
Posts: 6,594

Nov 17, 2012 -- 8:21AM, LiferYank wrote:


Nov 17, 2012 -- 1:25AM, qwik3457 wrote:


Normally, I would back the guy who led the league in WAR by 2 WAR, and led his competition by nearly 4 WAR, and perhaps Trout should've won the MVP.


But I also knew Cabrera would win it, and easily:


1) He's had a career of MVP seasons, and never won one before, despite 5 previous seasons in the top 5.


2) He won the triple crown, 1st time in 45 years anyone did that.


3) He led his team from behind to a divisional title, hitting brilliantly down the stretch.


4) He led the league in RBI by a decent margin.


5) He made a shift to a tougher position to allow the Tigers to add another MVP level bat to their lineup.


6) Trout cooled off the last 35-40 games, still playing at a very good level, but not near what he was doing before.


7) The Angels played more or less .500 ball down the last 3-4 weeks of the season, blowing a playoff spot that seemed to be theirs for the taking in early September.


Maybe all of these MVP "vote markers" aren't equal to 3.8 bWAR, but based on past voting, it would've been shocking had Cabrera not won the MVP vote.






.366 and .380 OBP in August and Sept with 17 SB and 1 cs. He only "cooled off" his historic pace.



I actually feel bad for the kid. There is a very small chance he could have a better year next year almost anything is going to disapoint Angels fans.




1.011 OPS through August 23rd. .824 OPS from August 24th through the end of the season.


I think that "cooling off" is a valid description, especially when accompanied by the phrase "still playing at a very good level, but not near what he was doing before." 


Meanwhile, Cabrera through August 23rd: .976 OPS.  From August 24th through the end of the season: 1.079.

Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber
2 years ago  ::  Nov 21, 2012 - 1:29AM #26
LiferYank
Posts: 4,638

Nov 21, 2012 -- 12:13AM, qwik3457 wrote:


Nov 17, 2012 -- 8:21AM, LiferYank wrote:


Nov 17, 2012 -- 1:25AM, qwik3457 wrote:


Normally, I would back the guy who led the league in WAR by 2 WAR, and led his competition by nearly 4 WAR, and perhaps Trout should've won the MVP.


But I also knew Cabrera would win it, and easily:


1) He's had a career of MVP seasons, and never won one before, despite 5 previous seasons in the top 5.


2) He won the triple crown, 1st time in 45 years anyone did that.


3) He led his team from behind to a divisional title, hitting brilliantly down the stretch.


4) He led the league in RBI by a decent margin.


5) He made a shift to a tougher position to allow the Tigers to add another MVP level bat to their lineup.


6) Trout cooled off the last 35-40 games, still playing at a very good level, but not near what he was doing before.


7) The Angels played more or less .500 ball down the last 3-4 weeks of the season, blowing a playoff spot that seemed to be theirs for the taking in early September.


Maybe all of these MVP "vote markers" aren't equal to 3.8 bWAR, but based on past voting, it would've been shocking had Cabrera not won the MVP vote.






.366 and .380 OBP in August and Sept with 17 SB and 1 cs. He only "cooled off" his historic pace.



I actually feel bad for the kid. There is a very small chance he could have a better year next year almost anything is going to disapoint Angels fans.




1.011 OPS through August 23rd. .824 OPS from August 24th through the end of the season.


I think that "cooling off" is a valid description, especially when accompanied by the phrase "still playing at a very good level, but not near what he was doing before." 


Meanwhile, Cabrera through August 23rd: .976 OPS.  From August 24th through the end of the season: 1.079.





From a historic pace.......

2 years ago  ::  Nov 22, 2012 - 7:05PM #27
qwik3457
Posts: 6,594

Nov 21, 2012 -- 1:29AM, LiferYank wrote:


Nov 21, 2012 -- 12:13AM, qwik3457 wrote:


Nov 17, 2012 -- 8:21AM, LiferYank wrote:


Nov 17, 2012 -- 1:25AM, qwik3457 wrote:


Normally, I would back the guy who led the league in WAR by 2 WAR, and led his competition by nearly 4 WAR, and perhaps Trout should've won the MVP.


But I also knew Cabrera would win it, and easily:


1) He's had a career of MVP seasons, and never won one before, despite 5 previous seasons in the top 5.


2) He won the triple crown, 1st time in 45 years anyone did that.


3) He led his team from behind to a divisional title, hitting brilliantly down the stretch.


4) He led the league in RBI by a decent margin.


5) He made a shift to a tougher position to allow the Tigers to add another MVP level bat to their lineup.


6) Trout cooled off the last 35-40 games, still playing at a very good level, but not near what he was doing before.


7) The Angels played more or less .500 ball down the last 3-4 weeks of the season, blowing a playoff spot that seemed to be theirs for the taking in early September.


Maybe all of these MVP "vote markers" aren't equal to 3.8 bWAR, but based on past voting, it would've been shocking had Cabrera not won the MVP vote.






.366 and .380 OBP in August and Sept with 17 SB and 1 cs. He only "cooled off" his historic pace.



I actually feel bad for the kid. There is a very small chance he could have a better year next year almost anything is going to disapoint Angels fans.




1.011 OPS through August 23rd. .824 OPS from August 24th through the end of the season.


I think that "cooling off" is a valid description, especially when accompanied by the phrase "still playing at a very good level, but not near what he was doing before." 


Meanwhile, Cabrera through August 23rd: .976 OPS.  From August 24th through the end of the season: 1.079.





From a historic pace.......




Then I guess Cabrera was hitting better than a "historic pace" down the stretch.


No, seriously, 1.011 is an outstanding OPS these days, fully deserving of MVP candidacy, but Trout did drop off down the stretch, possibly hitting the "rookie wall".

Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber
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