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Wow...Jays are making lot of moves as they added Melky Cabrera to their roster
5 years ago  ::  Nov 19, 2012 - 7:54PM #31
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Nov 19, 2012 -- 7:08PM, YankeeLoon wrote:

I'm just saying that Andy's attempt to heal from an injury shouldn't be on par with a Bonds or an Arod. Also Andy's performance never showed a dramatic increase or decrease over his career. I just don't like lumping them together and I'm sure part of it is liking one versus another but I also think ignoring the difference is going out if the way to try to be fair, winding up being unfair. If that makes sense.

+3 miles on his fastball just showed up overnight.  They said it was from training with Clemens.  It was, you still have to train hard and strict but HGH and some test makes you real strong. 

Yankee fans were real pleased with the +3 mph fastball that Andy sported.  I know that I was.  He trained with Rocket...I knew why but see I don't care who does what.  Just don't call one drug user that you dislike out for his ped use and excuse the guy that you like for his use.  I understood the ped issue about 15 years before it was ever addressed by MLB.  This stuff was rampant in the minors and gyms in the '80's.  I do not see very much or any understanding of performance enchancing drugs on this site.  Yet people talk about it as if they knew something about the subject.  In Boston they don't care that Ortiz was on the list, he's a good guy.  The same people will point to Yankee WS titles and say they are tainted by drug use.     

In bodybuilding you meet some good guys that use peds and you meet some bad guys that use the same stuff.  They often obtain it from the same source.   There's no hierarchy of ped cheating in my book, they are all cheats.  However: Using HGH is an attempt to completely mask from testing the athlete's drug use.  Once you grasp that, you will be able to look beyond the excuses of a multi-million dollar athlete. 



5 years ago  ::  Nov 19, 2012 - 7:59PM #32
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This is for the people that think Andy only used HGH once.  Let's try to remember that Andy admitted to using HGH twice from now on.  


Pettitte has acknowledged he received HGH from McNamee; Clemens has not. Pettitte told the jury about the time he used HGH in 2002 while recovering from an injury, but he wasn't allowed to say he was injected by McNamee because the judge ruled that information inadmissible.

Pettitte said he used HGH one other time, in 2004. He said he regretted it both times he tried it, that he doesn't think it helped him physically and that it has tarnished his name.

5 years ago  ::  Nov 19, 2012 - 8:20PM #33
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This is for the people that think HGH is only used to help recovery from injury...I hope that after reading this some posters will have a better understanding of what HGH is.


Human Growth Hormone as a Performance-Enhancing Drug

The main attraction to hGH for athletes (aside from the lack of reliable test) is its ability to aid in the recovery and prevention of injuries. Human growth hormone stimulates the synthesis of collagen, which is necessary for strengthening cartilage, bones, tendons and ligaments.

Jason Grimsley used the drug in combination with an anabolic steroid, deca-duabolin, to recover from ligament replacement (Tommy John) surgery after only nine months, half the estimated recovery time for pitchers.

The combination of anabolic steroids and hGH is especially useful and potent. Anabolic steroid use has been associated with increases in the frequency and severity of injuries in baseball. Bud Selig cited such information at the congressional hearings in 2005. Stronger connective tissues developed with hGH not only work better and heal faster, but they are better equipped to house oversized muscles associated with anabolic steroid use, and again prevent injuries.

The performance-enhancing uses for hGH are not limited to injuries. Human growth hormone increases the number of red blood cells, boosts heart function and makes more energy available by stimulating the breakdown of fat. Users have also noted improved eyesight, better sleep and better sex.

Jose Canseco sang its praises in Juiced, and included it in his cocktails. It was a BALCO staple as well. Jim Leyritz told the New York Times he sought hGH when recovering from a shoulder injury. Leyritz's hGH use was in 2000 when there was no testing in baseball at all. He used hGH because there was a history of prostate cancer in his family and thought taking anabolic steroids was not worth the risk.

5 years ago  ::  Nov 20, 2012 - 1:46AM #34
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Nov 16, 2012 -- 7:14PM, TheStripes wrote:

Nov 16, 2012 -- 6:49PM, Yankees wrote:

For some reason obvious juicers, Bautista and Encarnacion haven't been busted.  I guess Melky feels Toronto is a safe haven.

LOL , pretty close to my thoughts when I read about it.....


The juicers up there will show him the tricks of the trade.

HEY! Is that Ruben Sanyo in your profile pic? CLASSIC! I just wanted to tell you that. As for the Blue Jays, I think it's a dangerous thing to just add a bunch of guys all at once. Often, it doesn't work out. It's hard enough for a team to come together when a few new pieces are added. Adding what amounts to half a team is, I think, asking for trouble. You are betting on all of them having great years. As we have learned over and over again, that doesn't happen.



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