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6 years ago  ::  Dec 06, 2012 - 12:49PM #31
Yankee1954
Posts: 8,749

Dec 4, 2012 -- 2:02PM, Max wrote:


Dec 4, 2012 -- 1:33PM, ArtVandelay wrote:


Dec 4, 2012 -- 12:30PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Dec 4, 2012 -- 12:08PM, Max wrote:


Dec 4, 2012 -- 9:09AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


I can feel the edge of this cliff getting closer and closer.


My money is that they go over it ... a lot easier for the Republicans to vote for tax cuts in January, than it is for them to vote for tax increases on anyone in December.





BINGO! Some (R) after the election woke up and came out on the side of the voters. But there are still some (R) that are still scared of Grover.




The tea party backed Congressmen/women know they have to get re-elected!





sounds like a weak president to me...  he had 4 years and got away with blaming someone else, now he has 4 more years and he still is playing the blame game...  what makes anyone here think that this guy will actually lead and make compromises? - you all got what you voted for, enjoy!





President Obama is leading. He's standing by the issues he campaigned on. He won. The GOP ideas Romney campaigned on lost. If the GOP stands pat, they risk losing the House.





Exactly correct, they just don't lke the way he leads. I thought the election was over but the talking points continue!

6 years ago  ::  Dec 06, 2012 - 12:54PM #32
Yankee1954
Posts: 8,749

Dec 5, 2012 -- 3:35PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


OK, fine so instead of $1.3 trillion dollar deficits annually they would be about $700 billion dollar deficits which is still an epic fail.  Would it have been nice if the Iraq War didn't happen, sure hind sight is 20/20.  Afghanistan?  Other than Ron Paul's idea of richly rewarding mercenaries to fight a proxy war against Al Qaeda for us would any adminstration have reacted differently.  Was not retaliating an option?  Please don't tell me we allowed it to happen so we could go to war or that it was an inside job.




It also would have been niece if Bush hadn't left the Great Recession for Obama to fix!

6 years ago  ::  Dec 06, 2012 - 12:55PM #33
newinn
Posts: 30,868

Dec 6, 2012 -- 12:43PM, Yankee1954 wrote:


Dec 4, 2012 -- 7:28AM, newinn wrote:


for the Republicans and the President to get together in a room and hammer out a deal to prevent going over the fiscal cliff and fix the debt problem. Both sides presented laughable proposals and continue to play politics with our lives. Stop campaigning Mr. President and start leading. We get it you won but so did those Republicans with opposing views that also represent constituents.
Wondering if you guys think we will go over the edge or if you think a deal will be struck? 




 


Sorry New but there is a difference between the Presidency and some House member! That woud be like saying Bachmann and Obama are the same! Come on now, you know how this works. When you negotiate you don't throw your best offer out to let the other side rip it tp pieces. Obama wants to have Republicans senda proposal that cuts programs and says what is to be cut. The R's want Obama to do the same so they can say he went back on his word.





From a political standpoint he also has to protect the guy he is most likely to get a deal with and that happens to be Boehner. The goal needs to be to get this done. The President has already won the politics of this. Now he needs to lead and get a big deal done with out kicking it way down the road.

6 years ago  ::  Dec 06, 2012 - 12:59PM #34
Yankee1954
Posts: 8,749

Dec 6, 2012 -- 12:55PM, newinn wrote:


Dec 6, 2012 -- 12:43PM, Yankee1954 wrote:


Dec 4, 2012 -- 7:28AM, newinn wrote:


for the Republicans and the President to get together in a room and hammer out a deal to prevent going over the fiscal cliff and fix the debt problem. Both sides presented laughable proposals and continue to play politics with our lives. Stop campaigning Mr. President and start leading. We get it you won but so did those Republicans with opposing views that also represent constituents.
Wondering if you guys think we will go over the edge or if you think a deal will be struck? 




 


Sorry New but there is a difference between the Presidency and some House member! That woud be like saying Bachmann and Obama are the same! Come on now, you know how this works. When you negotiate you don't throw your best offer out to let the other side rip it tp pieces. Obama wants to have Republicans senda proposal that cuts programs and says what is to be cut. The R's want Obama to do the same so they can say he went back on his word.





From a political standpoint he also has to protect the guy he is most likely to get a deal with and that happens to be Boehner. The goal needs to be to get this done. The President has already won the politics of this. Now he needs to lead and get a big deal done with out kicking it way down the road.




I agree with you on Boehner. I thing the Speaker is playing a fake game by pretending to not like Obama and anything he proposes to look good for the Tea Party.

6 years ago  ::  Dec 06, 2012 - 3:58PM #35
ArtVandelay
Posts: 31,096

Dec 6, 2012 -- 10:30AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Dec 5, 2012 -- 9:09PM, BoogiedownBx wrote:


Dec 4, 2012 -- 9:09AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


I can feel the edge of this cliff getting closer and closer.


My money is that they go over it ... a lot easier for the Republicans to vote for tax cuts in January, than it is for them to vote for tax increases on anyone in December.




Although you are correct, isn't that the most ridiculous sounding thing you've heard in a while? They can't vote for tax increases because their constitunecy and corporate masters say it is verboten.


They took an oath to the people of the United States, then signed a pledge to Grover Norquist. The GOP needs to get its act together and fast, for the sake of all Americans.




That's a good point ... they took an oath to the people of the United States, but then signed a pledge to Grover Norquist ... never heard anything so ridiculous in my entire life!




really?  how's this for ridiculous:  A leader who spends an entire four years blaming the previous leader for every problem and then this leader gets re-elected and keeps the blame game going....   more ridiculous:  the 50+ % of the people who voted this guy back in...   I thought you'd want a leader Mo?  Reagan worked with majority dems, Clinton worked with marity reps....  why do you give Obama a pass...  in my workd you blame the guy at the top...  this is why he should have never been given the job in the first place - he had zero experience with negotiating and has no clue how to do it....

6 years ago  ::  Dec 06, 2012 - 5:00PM #36
zzdogg
Posts: 1,178

Dec 6, 2012 -- 3:58PM, ArtVandelay wrote:


Dec 6, 2012 -- 10:30AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Dec 5, 2012 -- 9:09PM, BoogiedownBx wrote:


Dec 4, 2012 -- 9:09AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


I can feel the edge of this cliff getting closer and closer.


My money is that they go over it ... a lot easier for the Republicans to vote for tax cuts in January, than it is for them to vote for tax increases on anyone in December.




Although you are correct, isn't that the most ridiculous sounding thing you've heard in a while? They can't vote for tax increases because their constitunecy and corporate masters say it is verboten.


They took an oath to the people of the United States, then signed a pledge to Grover Norquist. The GOP needs to get its act together and fast, for the sake of all Americans.




That's a good point ... they took an oath to the people of the United States, but then signed a pledge to Grover Norquist ... never heard anything so ridiculous in my entire life!




really?  how's this for ridiculous:  A leader who spends an entire four years blaming the previous leader for every problem and then this leader gets re-elected and keeps the blame game going....   more ridiculous:  the 50+ % of the people who voted this guy back in...   I thought you'd want a leader Mo?  Reagan worked with majority dems, Clinton worked with marity reps....  why do you give Obama a pass...  in my workd you blame the guy at the top...  this is why he should have never been given the job in the first place - he had zero experience with negotiating and has no clue how to do it....




message to art in vanderworld...."YOU LOST"

6 years ago  ::  Dec 06, 2012 - 5:35PM #37
ArtVandelay
Posts: 31,096

Dec 6, 2012 -- 5:00PM, zzdogg wrote:


Dec 6, 2012 -- 3:58PM, ArtVandelay wrote:


Dec 6, 2012 -- 10:30AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Dec 5, 2012 -- 9:09PM, BoogiedownBx wrote:


Dec 4, 2012 -- 9:09AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


I can feel the edge of this cliff getting closer and closer.


My money is that they go over it ... a lot easier for the Republicans to vote for tax cuts in January, than it is for them to vote for tax increases on anyone in December.




Although you are correct, isn't that the most ridiculous sounding thing you've heard in a while? They can't vote for tax increases because their constitunecy and corporate masters say it is verboten.


They took an oath to the people of the United States, then signed a pledge to Grover Norquist. The GOP needs to get its act together and fast, for the sake of all Americans.




That's a good point ... they took an oath to the people of the United States, but then signed a pledge to Grover Norquist ... never heard anything so ridiculous in my entire life!




really?  how's this for ridiculous:  A leader who spends an entire four years blaming the previous leader for every problem and then this leader gets re-elected and keeps the blame game going....   more ridiculous:  the 50+ % of the people who voted this guy back in...   I thought you'd want a leader Mo?  Reagan worked with majority dems, Clinton worked with marity reps....  why do you give Obama a pass...  in my workd you blame the guy at the top...  this is why he should have never been given the job in the first place - he had zero experience with negotiating and has no clue how to do it....




message to art in vanderworld...."YOU AMERICA LOST"



fixed it for you

6 years ago  ::  Dec 06, 2012 - 6:47PM #38
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 73,068

Dec 6, 2012 -- 3:58PM, ArtVandelay wrote:


Dec 6, 2012 -- 10:30AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Dec 5, 2012 -- 9:09PM, BoogiedownBx wrote:


Dec 4, 2012 -- 9:09AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


I can feel the edge of this cliff getting closer and closer.


My money is that they go over it ... a lot easier for the Republicans to vote for tax cuts in January, than it is for them to vote for tax increases on anyone in December.




Although you are correct, isn't that the most ridiculous sounding thing you've heard in a while? They can't vote for tax increases because their constitunecy and corporate masters say it is verboten.


They took an oath to the people of the United States, then signed a pledge to Grover Norquist. The GOP needs to get its act together and fast, for the sake of all Americans.




That's a good point ... they took an oath to the people of the United States, but then signed a pledge to Grover Norquist ... never heard anything so ridiculous in my entire life!




really?  how's this for ridiculous:  A leader who spends an entire four years blaming the previous leader for every problem and then this leader gets re-elected and keeps the blame game going....   more ridiculous:  the 50+ % of the people who voted this guy back in...   I thought you'd want a leader Mo?  Reagan worked with majority dems, Clinton worked with marity reps....  why do you give Obama a pass...  in my workd you blame the guy at the top...  this is why he should have never been given the job in the first place - he had zero experience with negotiating and has no clue how to do it....




We need an agreement to be made on tax hikes now Art ... I'm going to blame the people who are getting in the way of getting that done ... if in the end it winds up that Obama is to blame, I'll be screaming at him also.

6 years ago  ::  Dec 06, 2012 - 7:27PM #39
ArtVandelay
Posts: 31,096

Dec 6, 2012 -- 6:47PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Dec 6, 2012 -- 3:58PM, ArtVandelay wrote:


Dec 6, 2012 -- 10:30AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Dec 5, 2012 -- 9:09PM, BoogiedownBx wrote:


Dec 4, 2012 -- 9:09AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


I can feel the edge of this cliff getting closer and closer.


My money is that they go over it ... a lot easier for the Republicans to vote for tax cuts in January, than it is for them to vote for tax increases on anyone in December.




Although you are correct, isn't that the most ridiculous sounding thing you've heard in a while? They can't vote for tax increases because their constitunecy and corporate masters say it is verboten.


They took an oath to the people of the United States, then signed a pledge to Grover Norquist. The GOP needs to get its act together and fast, for the sake of all Americans.




That's a good point ... they took an oath to the people of the United States, but then signed a pledge to Grover Norquist ... never heard anything so ridiculous in my entire life!




really?  how's this for ridiculous:  A leader who spends an entire four years blaming the previous leader for every problem and then this leader gets re-elected and keeps the blame game going....   more ridiculous:  the 50+ % of the people who voted this guy back in...   I thought you'd want a leader Mo?  Reagan worked with majority dems, Clinton worked with marity reps....  why do you give Obama a pass...  in my workd you blame the guy at the top...  this is why he should have never been given the job in the first place - he had zero experience with negotiating and has no clue how to do it....




We need an agreement to be made on tax hikes now Art ... I'm going to blame the people who are getting in the way of getting that done ... if in the end it winds up that Obama is to blame, I'll be screaming at him also.





it starts from the top...  sadly the days of "the buck stops here" are over...  Obama has given us the era of "...ummm...  wasn't my fault..."

6 years ago  ::  Dec 06, 2012 - 8:35PM #40
luvdayanks
Posts: 24,735

Dec 6, 2012 -- 7:27PM, ArtVandelay wrote:


Dec 6, 2012 -- 6:47PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Dec 6, 2012 -- 3:58PM, ArtVandelay wrote:


Dec 6, 2012 -- 10:30AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Dec 5, 2012 -- 9:09PM, BoogiedownBx wrote:


Dec 4, 2012 -- 9:09AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


I can feel the edge of this cliff getting closer and closer.


My money is that they go over it ... a lot easier for the Republicans to vote for tax cuts in January, than it is for them to vote for tax increases on anyone in December.




Although you are correct, isn't that the most ridiculous sounding thing you've heard in a while? They can't vote for tax increases because their constitunecy and corporate masters say it is verboten.


They took an oath to the people of the United States, then signed a pledge to Grover Norquist. The GOP needs to get its act together and fast, for the sake of all Americans.




That's a good point ... they took an oath to the people of the United States, but then signed a pledge to Grover Norquist ... never heard anything so ridiculous in my entire life!




really?  how's this for ridiculous:  A leader who spends an entire four years blaming the previous leader for every problem and then this leader gets re-elected and keeps the blame game going....   more ridiculous:  the 50+ % of the people who voted this guy back in...   I thought you'd want a leader Mo?  Reagan worked with majority dems, Clinton worked with marity reps....  why do you give Obama a pass...  in my workd you blame the guy at the top...  this is why he should have never been given the job in the first place - he had zero experience with negotiating and has no clue how to do it....




We need an agreement to be made on tax hikes now Art ... I'm going to blame the people who are getting in the way of getting that done ... if in the end it winds up that Obama is to blame, I'll be screaming at him also.





it starts from the top...  sadly the days of "the buck stops here" are over...  Obama has given us the era of "...ummm...  wasn't my fault..."




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