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1 year ago  ::  Dec 06, 2012 - 2:54PM #11
OnThePike
Posts: 8

I think some of you have missed my point, and that being neither Hal nor Hank nor anyone else left behind to run this team share the same passion for the fan aspect portion of ownership that George did (publicly, anyway). I had disclaimed that I never saw George through rose colored glasses, but that point went largely ignored in favor of my "waxing nostalgic".


To George, the Yankees weren't just a business, they were his passion as well. Whereas today, the Yankees are strictly business, and the deals made now and in the future (on and off the field) will be clearly evident that the pride and tradition of this franchise will be lost in favor of the bottom line. 


Lastly, personal attacks only serve to make one look more foolish than any criticism or opinion they rebut in reply.

1 year ago  ::  Dec 06, 2012 - 3:09PM #12
RockinDaBronx
Posts: 3,200

Dec 6, 2012 -- 2:21PM, 61in61 wrote:


Dec 6, 2012 -- 2:17PM, yankeedoodle wrote:


Bats gets some props and then rants on folks.....  Perhaps it's the medication or lack of...




I hate the way he attacks people though. You can disagree without being that harsh. And, his logic wasn't so obvious either.




every response of his has multiple personal insults and is laden with exclamation points !!!!! & lolz. I find them humorous. 


I believe you haven't truly arrived on the YES board until you've either been called a dummy by Bats or have received a threatening pm by AJPP.

1 year ago  ::  Dec 06, 2012 - 3:15PM #13
NYYGuy
Posts: 3,751

Dec 6, 2012 -- 2:54PM, OnThePike wrote:


I think some of you have missed my point, and that being neither Hal nor Hank nor anyone else left behind to run this team share the same passion for the fan aspect portion of ownership that George did (publicly, anyway). I had disclaimed that I never saw George through rose colored glasses, but that point went largely ignored in favor of my "waxing nostalgic".


To George, the Yankees weren't just a business, they were his passion as well. Whereas today, the Yankees are strictly business, and the deals made now and in the future (on and off the field) will be clearly evident that the pride and tradition of this franchise will be lost in favor of the bottom line. 


Lastly, personal attacks only serve to make one look more foolish than any criticism or opinion they rebut in reply.





So trying to invest their money a little smarter than they have in the past, like not blowing their money on marginal players like Chavez means they don't care about pride and tradition?   I just don't buy that logic. I doubt you're close to the Steinbrenner brothers so statements like "the Yankees are not their passion" are just your opinion and nothing more.


 


Like I said, I know what this is about for many. A lot of Yankee fans want this team to always put out a product made up of big money, big names and big stars from other teams. Go big or go home. We're the Yankees and we deserve it!!11!. Now that all of that might not be forthcoming, they don't know what to do with themselves. I think they don't care for winning as much as they think they do. And the last I checked, that approach has won 1 title this century with over $2 Billion dollars spent in payroll. That is not a good track record.  With that approach, with the financial advantage they have over the rest of the sport they should have at least 5 titles by now.


 


Ask a Marlins fan about what it's like to run a team by strictly "business". The Yankees are not like that and never will be in our lifetimes.


 


 


 


 


 


 


 

1 year ago  ::  Dec 06, 2012 - 3:26PM #14
Bats
Posts: 5,963

Ya know what's really bugging me besides 47 year old IDIOTS and clueless-stupid-spoiled a** Yankee fans that I have no choice but to be clumped in with?


People who take my ideas and run with it. I should file a complaint and charge plagiarism, larceny, whatevah!!!! (LOL)  I know that i am an outstanding analyst of anything, particularly Yankee baseball, this is starting to get ridiculous. Maybe I need a talk show or something. (LOL)




As the dust begins to settle from the MLB winter meetings and it appears theYankees may come out without any big-name signings, the question worth asking is: Do you as a Yankee fan really care? Are you upset with players that have left and have not yet been replaced?


Well, maybe it's time to start creating a list of those who have gone and those who have not (yet) been signed and whether we should care or not.


- I could care less about Russell Martin not being back. Apparently, the Yankees felt the same way.


- I could care less about Eric Chavez not being back. Apparently, the Yankees felt the same way.


- I could care less about the Yankees not signing Jeff Keppinger, Nate Schierholtz or any other middling outfielder or infielder. Apparently, the Yankees didn't care enough to give those guys credible money.


Because they're not worth it.


I could go on.


Losing Nick Swisher will absolutely, repeat, absolutely affect this team next season. Swish-a-Lish is an above-average hitter that got on base at a very solid clip and hit 24 homers in 2012. Yes, he was an abysmal failure in the postseason (which is why some won't miss him) but he definitely was one of their best hitters at times throughout most of his years here.


But it makes no sense to give him what he's looking for in a contract.



What we're seeing now (I will argue vehemently NOW for the very first time since the great Yankees runs started in the mid-1990s) is the result of years and years of lavish spending. Some would say that by virtue of the Yankees missing the playoffs in 2008, that was the first time that we truly saw the result of guys getting old.


That's just not true. It's right now.


It's a 37-year-old, aging, former steroid-taking behemoth of the game whose body is completely falling apart. The same Alex Rodriguez that was inexplicably given nearly $30 million per year in 2007, for 10 years, at the age of 32.


It's taking long-term gambles on players like Mark Teixeira (which every team does but the Yankees seemed to start doing before everyone) who are undoubtedly not going to live up to the terms of their contract during the latter half of their signed years.


For years and years now, after every postseason failure and during every winter, we've been deluged with those in the media saying that the Yankees are getting old. Well that's obvious. People do age and the Yankees do have several players that are in their 30s.


Some in their 40s.


So it doesn't take a PhD. from Yale to realize that. But the ageist swipe is meant derisively, suggesting that the Yankees won't be able to hang anymore with the younger, supposedly hungrier teams.


Oh really?


Is that why they had the best record in the American League again this past season and made it to the ALCS? Is that why they've been counted out every year for the last 10 years, in the belief that they're "getting older," yet have challenged for the World Series every year but one over that time? You have to laugh every time you read one of those stories, often fueled by the emotion of those writers who are dying to see the big, bad Yankees fail.



The only player truly holding them back at this point is A-Rod.


Nagging injuries, bizarre hip problems.


The Yankees' problem right now is not age, with the exception of just one player. The Yankees' problem is the insane expenditures they've made over the years. And now, their suddenly miserly owner is pinching pennies so he doesn't get heavily taxed in one year by MLB, whose luxury tax threatens to take tens of millions away from his billion dollar fortune.


Oh yeah, one more thing: What we're also seeing now for the first time in my lifetime and many fans' lifetimes, is an ownership unwilling to keep throwing money at a problem. They're being fiscally responsible not out of virtue but out of greed, aiming to prevent revenue from being taxed.


To pretend that one year (or even successive years) of "tax" outlays is going to rip into profits is ludicrous. As the New York Mets have shown, it is all about the product on the field. If you don't have a winning product, you can watch your three-million and four-million person attendance figures evaporate.


Outcomes are a result of many, many decisions. Certainly this current situation is long in the making.  But it could have and should have been attended to all along the way. The fact that the Yankees have no bona fide starters at Triple-A is astounding.


The Yankee coffers have long been filled with excess unspent dollars. The press, MLB and the fans are so uni-focused on the major league payroll that they fail to see that player development, top-notch scouts and a broad-based planning system are more important to a team's success than gambling in the free-agent market.



Where is Stick Michael when you need him?


It really seems that the Yankees actually under-spend on the minor leagues. Just what the big-market teams accuse the smaller teams of doing—getting the revenue-sharing money and putting it in their pockets.


The Yankees accumulate their enormous sums and, right now, as well as for many years, have been pocketing it. Perhaps that's why the team's farm system hasn't exactly produced a Mike Trout or Madison Bumgarner lately.


You can think about that next time you're wondering why so many players on the roster are not farm-raised. And this is hardly a nascent problem. It's been going on for years. So don't let the pundits and professional writers envious of the Yankees' success fool you. It isn't age. It's mismanagement.


And now, for the first time, it looks like the Yankees will pay for it on the field next season with that will likely be as inferior of a lineup as fans have seen in years.

1 year ago  ::  Dec 06, 2012 - 5:34PM #15
go4broke
Posts: 2,068

Some of you remember the mess that the 80s became and think you know what its like to see a team poorly run. There are also some who complain that the fiscal restraint that the Yankees seem to be showing now is an indication of how badly it will be if the yankees are run in a more buisnesslike way. I am sorry but you have no idea how bad it can be. Some of us do remember when the Yankees were run by indifferent buisnessmen who saw the team as an investment and nothing more and this is not even close.


In the 60s under C.B.S. ownership the team its stadium and its minor league system were left on the vine to rot. There was no interest in making improvements and no hope for change.The stadium was beyond filthy and 2/3 empty most days. Ushers were few and far between. The players were has beens and never weres and it went on for years. From 1965 to 1969 the Yankees finished below .500 4 times. I dont think most fans today can envision what its like  to just hope the Yankees would play .500 ball at the beginning of the year.


 

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1 year ago  ::  Dec 06, 2012 - 6:16PM #16
GottaGoToMo
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Dec 6, 2012 -- 11:56AM, OnThePike wrote:



I think your post had a lot of merit, and that there is indeed cause to worry; however, I'm going to wait for the disaster to happen before I actually react.


 

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