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1 year ago  ::  Jan 05, 2013 - 2:11AM #81
meacham
Posts: 258

Jan 5, 2013 -- 12:45AM, 61in61 wrote:


Jan 4, 2013 -- 9:51PM, Yankees wrote:


Jan 4, 2013 -- 8:05PM, 61in61 wrote:


Jan 4, 2013 -- 5:21PM, Yankees wrote:


Jan 4, 2013 -- 6:39AM, 61in61 wrote:


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Jan 3, 2013 -- 11:32PM, 61in61 wrote:


Jan 3, 2013 -- 9:57PM, NYYGuy wrote:

"The Giants.,.... What is your obsession with words like horrible and doomed. You seem to be the only one using them." Well no, the title of this topic uses one of those words so its not just me. This team as constructed is not even close to the worst Yankee team this century. 2005 says hello. So does 2007. You can choose to think otherwise. I prefer to be objective. This team's pitching is good, so is the pen. Gimme good pitching over hitting anyday.



Please, get serious. I'd take that 2007 team over what they currently have any day.  Posada batted .338, Jeter .322, A-Rod 156 rbi's and MVP. They #1 in HR's, R, H , BA, OBP, OPS and total bases.


If the Yanks had that team this year they would win 110 games. Their starting pitching was what let them down a bit. But,I don't know about the starters this year either.




Ummmm what?  Their starting rotation is loaded with questions marks this season.





That's what I said: "I don't know about the starters this year either," i.e., lots of question marks about the starters this year.




I know so you wouldn't know that this would be a 110 win year team.  It would be safe to assume though that they would win 90+ games, 110 is hard to win even with a complete packaged team.




I said that if the Yanks had the 2007 lineup  this year they would win 110 games.




I know but like you said this years rotation is loaded with question marks so like 2007 the starting pitching could be a problem.  


Also I believe only 6 teams have ever won 110 or more games last being the Yankees in 1998 and that was a magical season.  And before that you have to go all the way back to 1954 when the Indiands won 111 games.


So if the Yanks had the 2007 I believe they would be a world series contending team but to say they would be a lock to win 110 games is a bit of a stretch.  I would say 95+ wins would be more accurate.




It probably is a bit of a stretch but that 2007 lineup was awesome.




The pitching staff has the potential to be deep and effective.   But a lot of dice have to get rolled the right way for it to happen.   You hope CC can stay healthy all season and not start to show any signs of decline.   How well does Pettitte hold up over a full season and does age catch up with him at all?   How about age and Kuroda?  Can Nova find any consistency or does he get dropped from the rotation?   I do expect Hughes to be extra motivated and hope it leads to results.  But there are many question marks.


The real problem this team could have is that they'll be handcuffed if a few of those guys go south.   The Yankees are not in a situation where they can just go out and get back replacement talent in salary-dump type trades with reckless abandon anymore.   But if the chips fall in to place for the 2013 rotation, they'd be plenty for the 2007 lineup to just pile up wins.

1 year ago  ::  Jan 05, 2013 - 2:16PM #82
61in61
Posts: 16,965

Jan 5, 2013 -- 2:11AM, meacham wrote:


Jan 5, 2013 -- 12:45AM, 61in61 wrote:


Jan 4, 2013 -- 9:51PM, Yankees wrote:


Jan 4, 2013 -- 8:05PM, 61in61 wrote:


Jan 4, 2013 -- 5:21PM, Yankees wrote:


Jan 4, 2013 -- 6:39AM, 61in61 wrote:


Jan 4, 2013 -- 12:57AM, Yankees wrote:


Jan 3, 2013 -- 11:32PM, 61in61 wrote:


Jan 3, 2013 -- 9:57PM, NYYGuy wrote:

"The Giants.,.... What is your obsession with words like horrible and doomed. You seem to be the only one using them." Well no, the title of this topic uses one of those words so its not just me. This team as constructed is not even close to the worst Yankee team this century. 2005 says hello. So does 2007. You can choose to think otherwise. I prefer to be objective. This team's pitching is good, so is the pen. Gimme good pitching over hitting anyday.



Please, get serious. I'd take that 2007 team over what they currently have any day.  Posada batted .338, Jeter .322, A-Rod 156 rbi's and MVP. They #1 in HR's, R, H , BA, OBP, OPS and total bases.


If the Yanks had that team this year they would win 110 games. Their starting pitching was what let them down a bit. But,I don't know about the starters this year either.




Ummmm what?  Their starting rotation is loaded with questions marks this season.





That's what I said: "I don't know about the starters this year either," i.e., lots of question marks about the starters this year.




I know so you wouldn't know that this would be a 110 win year team.  It would be safe to assume though that they would win 90+ games, 110 is hard to win even with a complete packaged team.




I said that if the Yanks had the 2007 lineup  this year they would win 110 games.




I know but like you said this years rotation is loaded with question marks so like 2007 the starting pitching could be a problem.  


Also I believe only 6 teams have ever won 110 or more games last being the Yankees in 1998 and that was a magical season.  And before that you have to go all the way back to 1954 when the Indiands won 111 games.


So if the Yanks had the 2007 I believe they would be a world series contending team but to say they would be a lock to win 110 games is a bit of a stretch.  I would say 95+ wins would be more accurate.




It probably is a bit of a stretch but that 2007 lineup was awesome.




The pitching staff has the potential to be deep and effective.   But a lot of dice have to get rolled the right way for it to happen.   You hope CC can stay healthy all season and not start to show any signs of decline.   How well does Pettitte hold up over a full season and does age catch up with him at all?   How about age and Kuroda?  Can Nova find any consistency or does he get dropped from the rotation?   I do expect Hughes to be extra motivated and hope it leads to results.  But there are many question marks.


The real problem this team could have is that they'll be handcuffed if a few of those guys go south.   The Yankees are not in a situation where they can just go out and get back replacement talent in salary-dump type trades with reckless abandon anymore.   But if the chips fall in to place for the 2013 rotation, they'd be plenty for the 2007 lineup to just pile up wins.




You're right. With the new salary limitations they aren't about to trade for someone like Cliff Lee at the trade deadline or if the staff has some setbacks. They will have to fill in with Phelps or Warren or pick up somebody off waivers.

1 year ago  ::  Jan 05, 2013 - 3:23PM #83
Taurus
Posts: 862

Jan 2, 2013 -- 6:09PM, dixieyank wrote:


Not a horrible team, but a flawed and old team. And a team that is relying on many questionable come-backs. 


The upcomming payroll cut back looms as well. It shouldn't come as any surprise that the Yanks could very well have a few years where they don't make the play-offs, given the other teams have improved.


Every dynasty ends at some point, and this one is coming to that end. For those that grew up watching nothing but the winning years, it may be a shock to their system if the Yanks go thru a bad period. For those of us who have watched for a long time, we expect it at some point.





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1 year ago  ::  Jan 05, 2013 - 8:33PM #84
NYYGuy
Posts: 3,789

"Every dynasty ends at some point, and this one is coming to that end."


 


The dynasty ended in October 2001.


 

1 year ago  ::  Jan 05, 2013 - 9:54PM #85
GlenninVirginia
Posts: 6,399

Jan 5, 2013 -- 8:33PM, NYYGuy wrote:


"Every dynasty ends at some point, and this one is coming to that end."


 


The dynasty ended in October 2001.


 




That's what they said about 1964.

1 year ago  ::  Jan 06, 2013 - 12:50AM #86
Yankees
Posts: 5,851

Jan 5, 2013 -- 12:45AM, 61in61 wrote:


Jan 4, 2013 -- 9:51PM, Yankees wrote:


Jan 4, 2013 -- 8:05PM, 61in61 wrote:


Jan 4, 2013 -- 5:21PM, Yankees wrote:


Jan 4, 2013 -- 6:39AM, 61in61 wrote:


Jan 4, 2013 -- 12:57AM, Yankees wrote:


Jan 3, 2013 -- 11:32PM, 61in61 wrote:


Jan 3, 2013 -- 9:57PM, NYYGuy wrote:

"The Giants.,.... What is your obsession with words like horrible and doomed. You seem to be the only one using them." Well no, the title of this topic uses one of those words so its not just me. This team as constructed is not even close to the worst Yankee team this century. 2005 says hello. So does 2007. You can choose to think otherwise. I prefer to be objective. This team's pitching is good, so is the pen. Gimme good pitching over hitting anyday.



Please, get serious. I'd take that 2007 team over what they currently have any day.  Posada batted .338, Jeter .322, A-Rod 156 rbi's and MVP. They #1 in HR's, R, H , BA, OBP, OPS and total bases.


If the Yanks had that team this year they would win 110 games. Their starting pitching was what let them down a bit. But,I don't know about the starters this year either.




Ummmm what?  Their starting rotation is loaded with questions marks this season.





That's what I said: "I don't know about the starters this year either," i.e., lots of question marks about the starters this year.




I know so you wouldn't know that this would be a 110 win year team.  It would be safe to assume though that they would win 90+ games, 110 is hard to win even with a complete packaged team.




I said that if the Yanks had the 2007 lineup  this year they would win 110 games.




I know but like you said this years rotation is loaded with question marks so like 2007 the starting pitching could be a problem.  


Also I believe only 6 teams have ever won 110 or more games last being the Yankees in 1998 and that was a magical season.  And before that you have to go all the way back to 1954 when the Indiands won 111 games.


So if the Yanks had the 2007 I believe they would be a world series contending team but to say they would be a lock to win 110 games is a bit of a stretch.  I would say 95+ wins would be more accurate.




It probably is a bit of a stretch but that 2007 lineup was awesome.




My memory isn't that sharp but judging by those statistics you posted it really was a nice lineup.  

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