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2 years ago  ::  Jan 03, 2013 - 3:00PM #21
JoeGNJ
Posts: 12,757

Jan 3, 2013 -- 1:21PM, grudz wrote:


The Yankees would never field a "no power" outfield of Ichiro, Gardner, and, say, Michael Bourne.  Especially when their DH is Eduardo Nunez.  And when their catchers are Stewart and Cervelli.


Power in the lineup, particularly lefty power, is important to winning consistently in Yankee Stadium.  Joel Sherman's article in the Post two weeks ago summed it up perfectly.  One of the most important things any organization must do is tailor their offense to the dimensions and characteristics of their ball park.  The two most successful teams in that regard for the last few years have been the Yankees and San Francisco.  And those two teams have the best home records, and greatest plus differential between home and road games.  The next most successful teams in those categories have been Texas, St. Louis, and Detroit.  So all of the really successful teams have been able to dominate in their home parks by tailoring their lineups to meet the dimensions (lefty power - Yankee Stadium, gap hitters/singles hitters - SF).  The Yankees are not about to abandon that approach now.  They know that you can't win consistently (or dominate) with a slap hitting/punch-and-judy offense playing 81 games in Yankee Stadium.  Cashman knows this.




Look at the "present" line-up as "grey" rather than black or white..(HR-vs-no power). Balance isnt a bad thing.

JoeGNJ
2 years ago  ::  Jan 03, 2013 - 3:45PM #22
61in61
Posts: 18,513

Jan 3, 2013 -- 1:06PM, Bats wrote:


Jan 2, 2013 -- 1:05PM, grudz wrote:


If the Yankees are serious about trying to win in 2013, it's absurd to think Granderson is about to be traded.  In fact, he might be as indispensable as ever at this point.  Other than Granderson, the Yankees have only two legit power bats in the lineup, Cano and Teixeira.  I cannot see the Yankees entering the season with only two power threats in the lineup.


Also, the other two starting outfielders are Gardner and Ichiro.  Neither one has power.  This makes Granderson more valuable than ever.  The Yanks currently have no power threat at DH.  They have lost all of their power off the bench.  And they have lost over 20 homers at the catcher position.  Granderson's 40+ homers aren't leaving as well.  It makes no sense, unless, as you say, the Yanks are completely out of it by midseason and are content to sell off pieces.




When Theo Epstein traded Nomar Garciaparra and received Orlando Cabrera and Doug Mientkiewicz (in 2004) was that absurd?


No one on the Yankees should be indespensable.


The Yankees obviously cannot make a "killing" for Curtis Granderson, but they can surely get back quality in return. Quality, in terms of a top level prospect or another MLB ballplayer to perhaps change the dynamic of the Yankee lineup.


Homeruns are overrated. LOL...where were the HRs in this past post season? The Yankees don't need all those homeruns. 


If Granderson gets traded....


The Yankees can EASILY win the division as long the pitching (rotation+bullpen) holds up.


RUN PREVENTION > RUN PRODUCTION


(for those who don't know it, please do.)



With a Granderson-less Yankees, Girardi will have to do what Joe Torre did in 1996 and have the Yankees play National League style baseball from the outset. This is the same style of baseball that undeservingly branded Mike Scoscia as a genius manager for all these years. Granderson needs to be traded, it makes sense. The fact that he's still on the team tells me that there isn't much of a market for him right now OR someone is trying to stiff Cashman. With Cano, Teix, and later Arod...the Yankees will only be a "David Justice" away from a very solid and balanced lineup. The Yankees don't need to "overkill" on the RUNS SCORED Dept. The Yankees scored over 800 runs hit 245 homeruns and they were as limp as a rubber band in the post season.


IT'S TIME FOR A NEW OFFENSIVE APPROACH.


Plus, ya know that Alex is coming back...and he's determined to prove all his detractors wrong. Ya know, Cashman will be making trades during the course of the season to plug holes, wherever needs be.






Trading Nomar WAS pretty stupid. Cabrera became a FA after 2004 and Minky was traded in the offseason to the Mets for a propsect that never amounted to anything. Meanwhile Nomar had at least 3 good seasons after that.

2 years ago  ::  Jan 03, 2013 - 4:13PM #23
Daltons the name
Posts: 105

just stating an opinion here......but I have a "strong" inclination, that J. Upton will be come a Yankee in the very near future, and there will be another substantial deal made before spring training opens.....but look for Upton to move to the Yankees.......not totally sure if it will be Hughes, or Grandy going to Arizona, and who knows, ....it may be both, but feeling pretty sure this will happen......Cashmen is about to pull off a deal, and I'm thinking it will be a deal that makes sense.....just sayin'.....I think the total dynamics of the Yanks is about to change, and I'm pretty confident, it will keep us in the 95-96 win area, and that should be good enough to win the vastly improved East......as they say......time will tell.......look for Yanks to run plenty this year, and find new ways to produce runs to replace the home run power we have lost......still hoping for an improvement at catcher, and though I don't mind Cervilli, not so sure how he will do for a season, but there will be a backup to give him the rest he will need.......here's to looking forward to 2013......love 'dem Yanks

2 years ago  ::  Jan 03, 2013 - 5:02PM #24
pinstripezac
Posts: 165

Jan 3, 2013 -- 1:21PM, grudz wrote:


The Yankees would never field a "no power" outfield of Ichiro, Gardner, and, say, Michael Bourne.  Especially when their DH is Eduardo Nunez.  And when their catchers are Stewart and Cervelli.


Power in the lineup, particularly lefty power, is important to winning consistently in Yankee Stadium.  Joel Sherman's article in the Post two weeks ago summed it up perfectly.  One of the most important things any organization must do is tailor their offense to the dimensions and characteristics of their ball park.  The two most successful teams in that regard for the last few years have been the Yankees and San Francisco.  And those two teams have the best home records, and greatest plus differential between home and road games.  The next most successful teams in those categories have been Texas, St. Louis, and Detroit.  So all of the really successful teams have been able to dominate in their home parks by tailoring their lineups to meet the dimensions (lefty power - Yankee Stadium, gap hitters/singles hitters - SF).  The Yankees are not about to abandon that approach now.  They know that you can't win consistently (or dominate) with a slap hitting/punch-and-judy offense playing 81 games in Yankee Stadium.  Cashman knows this.





Cashman knows this.


I've heard him say as much


I'm just not sure if he remembers it


this team is looking at a serious power shortage ;-(

2 years ago  ::  Jan 04, 2013 - 4:17PM #25
ArtVandelay
Posts: 15,829

Jan 2, 2013 -- 3:03PM, RockinDaBronx wrote:


writing is on the wall for Grandycakes, he'll be 33 after next season. Yanks aint signing him to a LTD, so they might as well trade him for something.






we should let him go, time to give AJAX a shot....

2 years ago  ::  Jan 04, 2013 - 4:22PM #26
ArtVandelay
Posts: 15,829

but seriously Shirley...  I think my solution is the best...  Granderson straight up for Halladay, gives Philles offense and saves them some dough...  we take on an additional 7M in salary but that's only for this year...  if Halladay has a bounce back year then we could have the staff to win a Series...  if not we may just struggle all year as everyone here is expecting we do even with Granderson...  go all out and win it with pitching and then the Yanks can do their welfare thing next year...

2 years ago  ::  Jan 04, 2013 - 6:00PM #27
JoeGNJ
Posts: 12,757

Jan 3, 2013 -- 4:13PM, Daltons the name wrote:


just stating an opinion here......but I have a "strong" inclination, that J. Upton will be come a Yankee in the very near future, and there will be another substantial deal made before spring training opens.....but look for Upton to move to the Yankees.......not totally sure if it will be Hughes, or Grandy going to Arizona, and who knows, ....it may be both, but feeling pretty sure this will happen......Cashmen is about to pull off a deal, and I'm thinking it will be a deal that makes sense.....just sayin'.....I think the total dynamics of the Yanks is about to change, and I'm pretty confident, it will keep us in the 95-96 win area, and that should be good enough to win the vastly improved East......as they say......time will tell.......look for Yanks to run plenty this year, and find new ways to produce runs to replace the home run power we have lost......still hoping for an improvement at catcher, and though I don't mind Cervilli, not so sure how he will do for a season, but there will be a backup to give him the rest he will need.......here's to looking forward to 2013......love 'dem Yanks




I realize that your post is an opinion, and gut feeling but, what specifically makes you feel that way?

JoeGNJ
2 years ago  ::  Jan 04, 2013 - 6:35PM #28
Daltons the name
Posts: 105

in response, all I can say is .....it is based on a conversation I had with someone in New York, a little over (2) weeks ago.......I am unable to name my source, but all I can say is, it was someone connected to baseball, (not necessarily the Yankees )and there was some strong sentiment, that there was an outside chance that a deal could be pulled off, in time.......now I am unaware of how much time is being discussed, but seemed like a deal may be possible......I have to plead the 5th here and I have no choice, but to stick to it.........I will, under no circumstances reveal names, or a name, I should say..........you don't have to take me at my word, but thats your choice, but I assure you, there have been discussions regarding Upton........personally speaking, I would like to see J. Upton in pinstripes.......young player with his best years ahead........seems the longer it takes, that maybe a package deal involving a few other players could happen.........obviously the Yankees are looking at more than Upton for the upcoming season, but any deal involving him seems like a winning option......have to sit on it and see what happens, I guess.......

2 years ago  ::  Jan 04, 2013 - 7:37PM #29
61in61
Posts: 18,513

Jan 4, 2013 -- 4:22PM, ArtVandelay wrote:


but seriously Shirley...  I think my solution is the best...  Granderson straight up for Halladay, gives Philles offense and saves them some dough...  we take on an additional 7M in salary but that's only for this year...  if Halladay has a bounce back year then we could have the staff to win a Series...  if not we may just struggle all year as everyone here is expecting we do even with Granderson...  go all out and win it with pitching and then the Yanks can do their welfare thing next year...




I am serious ..and don't call me Shirley!

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