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Chris Dickerson
1 year ago  ::  Jan 05, 2013 - 8:58AM #11
LiferYank
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Jan 5, 2013 -- 7:11AM, hampfan wrote:


Jan 4, 2013 -- 9:53PM, go4broke wrote:


Jan 4, 2013 -- 8:35PM, Yankee1954 wrote:

Today the Yankees designated Chris Dickerson opening up a roster spot for Russ Canzler, an ex-Indian who is a RH hitter. I'm wondering what the rest of you fans think about this move. Personally this is just another in the long line of odd moves made by the Yanks this offseason. I know what some will say, that we are too left handed in the OF, but c'mon, Russ Canzler is the guy the Indians cut. Logic would tell you then the Indians must have a better offense than the Yanks. Of course I exaggerate. But why do we keep dumping a Dickerson or a Maxwell for guys like Andruw Jones in his second year. I really am beginning to think the front office is just average.



Dickerson will be 31 in April and was a 4th or even 5th outfielder at best. The Yankees have Mesa who bats righthanded and can fill the same role and he also has shown some power in the minors and is 25.




What you say makes sense at first glance. But note: Dickerson proved he could hit and field at an "A" grade-level at AAA last year and when he came up briefly in September for us.  As usual, Girardi/Cashman never gave him a real chance to crack the line-up or DH role. They preferred and prefer the tried-out veterans, no matter how badly they're doing and will likely continue to do. So Dickerson mostly got eclipsed on the bench, and wasn't chosen for the playoff roster either. In my opinion, he should have been give that chance. I think he was--is--as good a CF as Granderson then and now, and could have hit for equal power (yes, I just said that and would say it again) as well as make more contact, i.e., strike-out far less and put the ball in active play. He's a case in point of how our management seldom if ever really trusts its so-called system. Cano was one exception, and frankly had he stumbled a bit when he first came up, we'd be lusting to get him back from another team right about now. I keep bringing Mustelier as another possible rh bat/outfielder for us this year, but no, we go for Canzler instead--always the guy(s) on the other teams. We probably need a different manager or GM to change that mindset, imo. Until then, hold your breath about keeping the Sanchez, Williams, Austin, and Heathcott prospects for their special moments in Yankee Stadium in Yankee uniforms. Bah.





The fact that you said Granderson and Dickerson were equals in power suggests a better name for you would be Hempfan.


www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/dic...


www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=mi...



What in EITHER suggests he is even close to 25 HR potential nevermind 40???


What about Dickerson suggests he is part of the Yankees "System"? He started on the Reds didnt get a ML AB until he was 26 and he spent time on the Brewers. 3 teams in 4 years and you think somehow its the Yankees "system" not seeing his potential when he is 31 and spent most of his career in THREE minor leagues?

1 year ago  ::  Jan 05, 2013 - 9:12AM #12
JoeGNJ
Posts: 11,728

Jan 4, 2013 -- 8:53PM, luvdayanks wrote:


Jan 4, 2013 -- 8:35PM, Yankee1954 wrote:

Today the Yankees designated Chris Dickerson opening up a roster spot for Russ Canzler, an ex-Indian who is a RH hitter. I'm wondering what the rest of you fans think about this move. Personally this is just another in the long line of odd moves made by the Yanks this offseason. I know what some will say, that we are too left handed in the OF, but c'mon, Russ Canzler is the guy the Indians cut. Logic would tell you then the Indians must have a better offense than the Yanks. Of course I exaggerate. But why do we keep dumping a Dickerson or a Maxwell for guys like Andruw Jones in his second year. I really am beginning to think the front office is just average.




Sounds like a lateral move to me although I don't know that much about Canzler. I don't think it makes any difference in the grand scheme of things as Dickerson would have only been used on a limited basis as most likely will Canzler.




I hear ya Luv, I just feel bad for the guy. He always filled in pretty well when called on and if no one picks him up, his career may be over.

JoeGNJ
1 year ago  ::  Jan 05, 2013 - 9:56AM #13
BigGuy
Posts: 47,383

This boils down to 1 thing people, Dickerson hits lefty, and they're looking for a righty hitting outfielder.  Dickerson is the better defender, but Canzler has the better bat, and he's still only 26 and has a minor league option left if he doesn't make the team out of ST.  The Yankees aren't handing the job to Canzler as the 4th outfielder.  He'll have to compete with Matt Diaz and others.

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 05, 2013 - 11:22AM #14
hampfan
Posts: 1,442


The fact that you said Granderson and Dickerson were equals in power suggests a better name for you would be Hempfan.


www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/dic...


www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=mi...



What in EITHER suggests he is even close to 25 HR potential nevermind 40???


What about Dickerson suggests he is part of the Yankees "System"? He started on the Reds didnt get a ML AB until he was 26 and he spent time on the Brewers. 3 teams in 4 years and you think somehow its the Yankees "system" not seeing his potential when he is 31 and spent most of his career in THREE minor leagues?


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What do you mean by "either"--either one? In any case, it's just my opinion. What I saw of Dickerson last year at AAA and the teacup of games he played for us in Sept. suggested to me that he had found his power base and/or offensive swing. Sometimes that comes later rather than sooner. I think that that "swing" would have resulted in 20-30 homeruns had he played for us the whole year--and fewer strikeouts than CG--and were he to play for us this year, which of course he won't, the same would've occurred. He never got the chance to prove himself one way or another.


Why do we grab players like him from other teams (including the new Cleveland guy) if we don't intend to give them such a chance? As far as CD's not being in our "system," he stayed in it for two years at least, which cf. Mr. Granderson. Listen: I admit I could be wrong about CD and just moaning about my disenchantment with Granderson, whom I find to be wanting in a BIG way, his Yankee Stadium homers to the contrary notwithstanding--not to mention someone who's looking forward to free agency, meaning he's not enamoured with being a Yankee. But there's a pattern going on here that's at the root of what I'm saying: Why does the FO keep settling for the Jones-like vet (and I include Ibanez here, no matter that he excelled in the playoffs) when we had a Mustelier all year hammering the ball at AAA, for example? Bad policy. Sorry if my sentiments offend you.

1 year ago  ::  Jan 05, 2013 - 11:29AM #15
LiferYank
Posts: 3,328

Jan 5, 2013 -- 11:22AM, hampfan wrote:



The fact that you said Granderson and Dickerson were equals in power suggests a better name for you would be Hempfan.


www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/dic...


www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=mi...



What in EITHER suggests he is even close to 25 HR potential nevermind 40???


What about Dickerson suggests he is part of the Yankees "System"? He started on the Reds didnt get a ML AB until he was 26 and he spent time on the Brewers. 3 teams in 4 years and you think somehow its the Yankees "system" not seeing his potential when he is 31 and spent most of his career in THREE minor leagues?





What do you mean by "either"--either one? In any case, it's just my opinion. What I saw of Dickerson last year at AAA and the teacup of games he played for us in Sept. suggested to me that he had found his power base and/or offensive swing. Sometimes that comes later rather than sooner. I think that that "swing" would have resulted in 20-30 homeruns had he played for us the whole year--and fewer strikeouts than CG--and were he to play for us this year, which of course he won't, the same would've occurred. He never got the chance to prove himself one way or another.


Why do we grab players like him from other teams (including the new Cleveland guy) if we don't intend to give them such a chance? As far as CD's not being in our "system," he stayed in it for two years at least, which cf. Mr. Granderson. Listen: I admit I could be wrong about CD and just moaning about my disenchantment with Granderson, whom I find to be wanting in a BIG way, his Yankee Stadium homers to the contrary notwithstanding--not to mention someone who's looking forward to free agency, meaning he's not enamoured with being a Yankee. But there's a pattern going on here that's at the root of what I'm saying: Why does the FO keep settling for the Jones-like vet (and I include Ibanez here, no matter that he excelled in the playoffs) when we had a Mustelier all year hammering the ball at AAA, for example? Bad policy. Sorry if my sentiments offend you.





Either link which shows his complete ML and Minor league stats... You might want to look at his minor league stats even last year and the amount of Ab's he got. Nothing shows 20-25 HR power nevermind Granderson like power like you said. You can hate Granderson all you like but hell post something close to reality atleast!



Mustlier should get a shot at the DH spot but his defense is horrible. There simply isnt a spot for him in the OF even as a 4th OF.

1 year ago  ::  Jan 05, 2013 - 11:36AM #16
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Because Indians released Canzler that doesn't mean he's garbage...perhaps he doesn't fit their needs as Dickerson doesn't fit Yankees needs.  Much improvements can come with Canzier as he's only 26. Yankees need a RH bat. Having the potential to play multiple positions competently is a plus.  No doubt Dickerson is terrific defensively.....unfortunately he's a lefty.

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 05, 2013 - 12:07PM #17
hampfan
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Either link which shows his complete ML and Minor league stats... You might want to look at his minor league stats even last year and the amount of Ab's he got. Nothing shows 20-25 HR power nevermind Granderson like power like you said. You can hate Granderson all you like but hell post something close to reality atleast!



Mustlier should get a shot at the DH spot but his defense is horrible. There simply isnt a spot for him in the OF even as a 4th OF.


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You're right, although he did hit seven homers at AAA last year, more than in his other years, and to me showed a certain poise and strength at the plate that could have translated into much more than his record has shown up to this point. I stand corrected, though no need for your smarmy put-down tone. "Reality" in baseball can mean a lot of things. I just think Dickerson deserved a full chance, which he didn't get. I don't "hate" Granderson, by the way; I think he's a nice guy and all; just a whiff-artist. As for Mustelier, I base much of what I think on the report at bronxbaseballdaily.com/2012/05/how-long-... Maybe the report was wrong. Also, is his last year's .975 fielding average "horrible"? Just not sure there.

1 year ago  ::  Jan 06, 2013 - 10:35AM #18
61in61
Posts: 16,944

Jan 5, 2013 -- 12:07PM, hampfan wrote:



Either link which shows his complete ML and Minor league stats... You might want to look at his minor league stats even last year and the amount of Ab's he got. Nothing shows 20-25 HR power nevermind Granderson like power like you said. You can hate Granderson all you like but hell post something close to reality atleast!



Mustlier should get a shot at the DH spot but his defense is horrible. There simply isnt a spot for him in the OF even as a 4th OF.




You're right, although he did hit seven homers at AAA last year, more than in his other years, and to me showed a certain poise and strength at the plate that could have translated into much more than his record has shown up to this point. I stand corrected, though no need for your smarmy put-down tone. "Reality" in baseball can mean a lot of things. I just think Dickerson deserved a full chance, which he didn't get. I don't "hate" Granderson, by the way; I think he's a nice guy and all; just a whiff-artist. As for Mustelier, I base much of what I think on the report at bronxbaseballdaily.com/2012/05/how-long-... Maybe the report was wrong. Also, is his last year's .975 fielding average "horrible"? Just not sure there.




I'm not positive about this but if the Yanks can't make a trade for Dickerson he becomes a FA. So the Yanks could sign him to a minor league deal if he agrees to it. It would be nice to have him at AAA if one of the regulars goes down. And with Granderson becoming a FA after this year there would be a spot open. The Yanks waived him last year also and no team claimed him so he was outrighted to AAA. It doesn't look like many teams have an interest in him so if the Yanks make him a decent offer he might take it.

1 year ago  ::  Jan 06, 2013 - 11:18AM #19
BigGuy
Posts: 47,383

Jan 6, 2013 -- 10:35AM, 61in61 wrote:


Jan 5, 2013 -- 12:07PM, hampfan wrote:



Either link which shows his complete ML and Minor league stats... You might want to look at his minor league stats even last year and the amount of Ab's he got. Nothing shows 20-25 HR power nevermind Granderson like power like you said. You can hate Granderson all you like but hell post something close to reality atleast!



Mustlier should get a shot at the DH spot but his defense is horrible. There simply isnt a spot for him in the OF even as a 4th OF.




You're right, although he did hit seven homers at AAA last year, more than in his other years, and to me showed a certain poise and strength at the plate that could have translated into much more than his record has shown up to this point. I stand corrected, though no need for your smarmy put-down tone. "Reality" in baseball can mean a lot of things. I just think Dickerson deserved a full chance, which he didn't get. I don't "hate" Granderson, by the way; I think he's a nice guy and all; just a whiff-artist. As for Mustelier, I base much of what I think on the report at bronxbaseballdaily.com/2012/05/how-long-... Maybe the report was wrong. Also, is his last year's .975 fielding average "horrible"? Just not sure there.




I'm not positive about this but if the Yanks can't make a trade for Dickerson he becomes a FA. So the Yanks could sign him to a minor league deal if he agrees to it. It would be nice to have him at AAA if one of the regulars goes down. And with Granderson becoming a FA after this year there would be a spot open. The Yanks waived him last year also and no team claimed him so he was outrighted to AAA. It doesn't look like many teams have an interest in him so if the Yanks make him a decent offer he might take it.




That's correct.  The Yankees have 10 days to trade or waive him before he becomes a free agent - again. Since he was on the 40 man roster a team that claims him would also have to add him to their 40 man roster.  If there's a team out there looking for what he has to offer that could be possible.  Otherwise if he's not dealt or clears waivers he becomes a free agent and can resign with the Yankees on a minor league deal, if he doesn't get a better offer elsewhere. 

"Jay Z got him a big raise, but he also got him a 30-day vacation – it’s called October," --Pete Rose
1 year ago  ::  Jan 08, 2013 - 7:27PM #20
AJPP
Posts: 2,449

Jan 6, 2013 -- 11:18AM, BigGuy wrote:


Jan 6, 2013 -- 10:35AM, 61in61 wrote:


Jan 5, 2013 -- 12:07PM, hampfan wrote:



Either link which shows his complete ML and Minor league stats... You might want to look at his minor league stats even last year and the amount of Ab's he got. Nothing shows 20-25 HR power nevermind Granderson like power like you said. You can hate Granderson all you like but hell post something close to reality atleast!



Mustlier should get a shot at the DH spot but his defense is horrible. There simply isnt a spot for him in the OF even as a 4th OF.




You're right, although he did hit seven homers at AAA last year, more than in his other years, and to me showed a certain poise and strength at the plate that could have translated into much more than his record has shown up to this point. I stand corrected, though no need for your smarmy put-down tone. "Reality" in baseball can mean a lot of things. I just think Dickerson deserved a full chance, which he didn't get. I don't "hate" Granderson, by the way; I think he's a nice guy and all; just a whiff-artist. As for Mustelier, I base much of what I think on the report at bronxbaseballdaily.com/2012/05/how-long-... Maybe the report was wrong. Also, is his last year's .975 fielding average "horrible"? Just not sure there.




I'm not positive about this but if the Yanks can't make a trade for Dickerson he becomes a FA. So the Yanks could sign him to a minor league deal if he agrees to it. It would be nice to have him at AAA if one of the regulars goes down. And with Granderson becoming a FA after this year there would be a spot open. The Yanks waived him last year also and no team claimed him so he was outrighted to AAA. It doesn't look like many teams have an interest in him so if the Yanks make him a decent offer he might take it.




That's correct.  The Yankees have 10 days to trade or waive him before he becomes a free agent - again. Since he was on the 40 man roster a team that claims him would also have to add him to their 40 man roster.  If there's a team out there looking for what he has to offer that could be possible.  Otherwise if he's not dealt or clears waivers he becomes a free agent and can resign with the Yankees on a minor league deal, if he doesn't get a better offer elsewhere. 



Dickerson like many are no more than AAA ballplayers.

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