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2 years ago  ::  Jan 14, 2013 - 8:16PM #51
go4broke
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Hughes win 20 games?  Yeah right keep dreaming.  


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The guy won 18 games in 2010 and had 2 games where he gave up 2 runs or less through 6 innings and got a loss and a no decision . He also had another N.D. where he went 5 2/3 giving up 1 run. Also another loss giving up 3 runs through 6 innings.


Last year with 16 wins he had 3 games where he went a minimum of 7 innings giving up 2 runs and lost 2 of them and got a no decision in another. He also lost another game while giving up only 2 runs in 5 1/3 innings. In 5 of his 13 losses he gave up 3 runs or less and 4 runs in another 3 losses.


He has had plenty of games he could have lost but got the win or a N.D. but he also has had more then a few games he could have won but got a N.D. or a loss. Its absurd to act like he cant win 20 games.

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2 years ago  ::  Jan 14, 2013 - 8:20PM #52
yankeeoldfan
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Jan 14, 2013 -- 8:16PM, go4broke wrote:





Hughes win 20 games?  Yeah right keep dreaming.  




The guy won 18 games in 2010 and had 2 games where he gave up 2 runs or less through 6 innings and got a loss and a no decision . He also had another N.D. where he went 5 2/3 giving up 1 run. Also another loss giving up 3 runs through 6 innings.


Last year with 16 wins he had 3 games where he went a minimum of 7 innings giving up 2 runs and lost 2 of them and got a no decision in another. He also lost another game while giving up only 2 runs in 5 1/3 innings. In 5 of his 13 losses he gave up 3 runs or less and 4 runs in another 3 losses.


He has had plenty of games he could have lost but got the win or a N.D. but he also has had more then a few games he could have won but got a N.D. or a loss. Its absurd to act like he cant win 20 games.




Like anything, pitching needs to have some luck associated with it, Hughes has had both good and bad luck in his career.. I still believe Hughes hasn't reached his prime yet, will he reach it in NY, well a lot of things  will decide if he does or not, I'm sure money will have a lot to do with it ??

2 years ago  ::  Jan 14, 2013 - 9:22PM #53
Yankees
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Jan 14, 2013 -- 7:55PM, 61in61 wrote:


Jan 14, 2013 -- 6:05PM, Yankees wrote:


Jan 14, 2013 -- 6:44AM, 61in61 wrote:


Jan 12, 2013 -- 3:10AM, Yankees wrote:


Jan 11, 2013 -- 9:33PM, LiferYank wrote:


Jan 11, 2013 -- 8:45PM, Yankees wrote:


Jan 11, 2013 -- 5:45PM, yankeeoldfan wrote:


Jan 11, 2013 -- 4:58PM, Yankees wrote:


Jan 11, 2013 -- 3:58PM, yankeeoldfan wrote:


Jan 11, 2013 -- 3:42PM, Yankees wrote:


YES, Hughes isn't that good and our need for a righty power bat makes Hughes even more expendable.


CC


Kuroda


Pettitte


Nova


Phelps



Not bad.




 


Not bad if they all stay healthy ?? 


But if one or even two go down for some reason then where do you turn ?? With the $189M budget for 2014 it sure would look like Hughes will not be back, probably the only way is if he doesn't have a good year but then would we want him either ?? Nova is up in the air as well, was it his shoulder or had he just been figured out by other teams ?? Lots of questions, like the old saying you can never have enough pitching...




Right now we have no DH, a joke of a catcher and we have no idea what to expect from Gardner.  The Yankees have a nice opportunity to get a very solid bat and it won't cost that much.  It's not like it would be that difficult to replace Hughes.




Pray tell me with who ?? Again if there are no injuries to our pitchers it might not be that hard to replace Hughes, but what if ???




You're assuming there will be an injury but whoever they can get.  It's not like Hughes is a stud.





How many teams get 30-34 starts from each of there original starting rotation?





True but like I said we aren't talking about a #2 or #3 starter.  Hughes at best is a #4.  He gives up too many home runs, he doesn't go deep in games and if he were on any other team we wouldn't even be thinking of trading for him.  So right now if the Nats want Hughes for Morse I'd do it in a heartbeat.  I'm sure we have kids in AAA that can get the job done if needed.




If Morse was a Yankee and Hughes a National the Yankees would most definitely trade Morse for him. They would be trading a 4th OF/DH with limited defensive skills for a young pitcher who could win 20 games. That would be a steal.




Hughes win 20 games?  Yeah right keep dreaming.  




I said "could". He won 18 in 2010 and 16 in 2012. That's pretty good for someone who is still learnig to pitch and battle injuries. A little tweak in his mechanics and another mph on his fastball and you're looking at a 20 game winner.




It's hard for aces to win 20 games, it would require a lot of luck for someone who struggles to pitch 6 innings to win 20 games.  Hopefully I'm wrong and he does develop more but right now I don't see it happening.


 A little tweak in his mechanics and another mph on his fastball and you're looking at a 20 game winner.



When did you become a pitching expert?  A guy can throw the ball 99 mph and still suck if he can't keep it out of the middle of the plate.  


Hughes imo was overhyped coming through the farm, they wanted him badly to be the powerarm that they dreamed of but he obviously he never should of had those expectations.  Now I am not saying he is bad, he fits nicely into the 4th or 5th starter role but it is a bit disappointing when a player isn't as advertised.


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2 years ago  ::  Jan 14, 2013 - 10:23PM #54
TheStripes
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I'm against Hughes for Morse as already stated. I've seen enough of Morse and don't think he is worth Hughes.  Since acquiring LH relievers that can do the job has been part of Cashman's struggles I wouldn't even feel great about Logan for him although I'd do it.


 


Fast forward to next year if the Yankees offer Hughes 1 yr at 13 million he'll probably turn it down and considering what pitchers got at his talent level this season get a good  deal elsewhere, Morse on the other hand I don't see that he'd command 10 million plus money from anyone..


 


As others have alluded to, I'm also a believer that Hughes is a good pitcher that is not pitching in a ballpark that is suited to his strengths.  Cashman hopefully is taking that angle in contact with other teams.

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2 years ago  ::  Jan 14, 2013 - 11:10PM #55
61in61
Posts: 19,307

Jan 14, 2013 -- 9:22PM, Yankees wrote:


Jan 14, 2013 -- 7:55PM, 61in61 wrote:


Jan 14, 2013 -- 6:05PM, Yankees wrote:


Jan 14, 2013 -- 6:44AM, 61in61 wrote:


Jan 12, 2013 -- 3:10AM, Yankees wrote:


Jan 11, 2013 -- 9:33PM, LiferYank wrote:


Jan 11, 2013 -- 8:45PM, Yankees wrote:


Jan 11, 2013 -- 5:45PM, yankeeoldfan wrote:


Jan 11, 2013 -- 4:58PM, Yankees wrote:


Jan 11, 2013 -- 3:58PM, yankeeoldfan wrote:


Jan 11, 2013 -- 3:42PM, Yankees wrote:


YES, Hughes isn't that good and our need for a righty power bat makes Hughes even more expendable.


CC


Kuroda


Pettitte


Nova


Phelps



Not bad.




 


Not bad if they all stay healthy ?? 


But if one or even two go down for some reason then where do you turn ?? With the $189M budget for 2014 it sure would look like Hughes will not be back, probably the only way is if he doesn't have a good year but then would we want him either ?? Nova is up in the air as well, was it his shoulder or had he just been figured out by other teams ?? Lots of questions, like the old saying you can never have enough pitching...




Right now we have no DH, a joke of a catcher and we have no idea what to expect from Gardner.  The Yankees have a nice opportunity to get a very solid bat and it won't cost that much.  It's not like it would be that difficult to replace Hughes.




Pray tell me with who ?? Again if there are no injuries to our pitchers it might not be that hard to replace Hughes, but what if ???




You're assuming there will be an injury but whoever they can get.  It's not like Hughes is a stud.





How many teams get 30-34 starts from each of there original starting rotation?





True but like I said we aren't talking about a #2 or #3 starter.  Hughes at best is a #4.  He gives up too many home runs, he doesn't go deep in games and if he were on any other team we wouldn't even be thinking of trading for him.  So right now if the Nats want Hughes for Morse I'd do it in a heartbeat.  I'm sure we have kids in AAA that can get the job done if needed.




If Morse was a Yankee and Hughes a National the Yankees would most definitely trade Morse for him. They would be trading a 4th OF/DH with limited defensive skills for a young pitcher who could win 20 games. That would be a steal.




Hughes win 20 games?  Yeah right keep dreaming.  




I said "could". He won 18 in 2010 and 16 in 2012. That's pretty good for someone who is still learnig to pitch and battle injuries. A little tweak in his mechanics and another mph on his fastball and you're looking at a 20 game winner.




It's hard for aces to win 20 games, it would require a lot of luck for someone who struggles to pitch 6 innings to win 20 games.  Hopefully I'm wrong and he does develop more but right now I don't see it happening.


 A little tweak in his mechanics and another mph on his fastball and you're looking at a 20 game winner.



When did you become a pitching expert?  A guy can throw the ball 99 mph and still suck if he can't keep it out of the middle of the plate.  


Hughes imo was overhyped coming through the farm, they wanted him badly to be the powerarm that they dreamed of but he obviously he never should of had those expectations.  Now I am not saying he is bad, he fits nicely into the 4th or 5th starter role but it is a bit disappointing when a player isn't as advertised.





Geez, stop with the sarcasm. I'm only guessing like everyone else. If he's leaving it over the plate its probably a mechanical issue. The reports also seem to indicate his fastball has lost a few mph. Put those two together and it could change the outcome of a handful of batters and the game. He got burned on a lot of 2 strike counts. If you turn those 2 strike counts into outs instead of hits you have a very different pitcher.

2 years ago  ::  Jan 15, 2013 - 12:14AM #56
Yankees
Posts: 5,888

Jan 14, 2013 -- 11:10PM, 61in61 wrote:


Jan 14, 2013 -- 9:22PM, Yankees wrote:


Jan 14, 2013 -- 7:55PM, 61in61 wrote:


Jan 14, 2013 -- 6:05PM, Yankees wrote:


Jan 14, 2013 -- 6:44AM, 61in61 wrote:


Jan 12, 2013 -- 3:10AM, Yankees wrote:


Jan 11, 2013 -- 9:33PM, LiferYank wrote:


Jan 11, 2013 -- 8:45PM, Yankees wrote:


Jan 11, 2013 -- 5:45PM, yankeeoldfan wrote:


Jan 11, 2013 -- 4:58PM, Yankees wrote:


Jan 11, 2013 -- 3:58PM, yankeeoldfan wrote:


Jan 11, 2013 -- 3:42PM, Yankees wrote:


YES, Hughes isn't that good and our need for a righty power bat makes Hughes even more expendable.


CC


Kuroda


Pettitte


Nova


Phelps



Not bad.




 


Not bad if they all stay healthy ?? 


But if one or even two go down for some reason then where do you turn ?? With the $189M budget for 2014 it sure would look like Hughes will not be back, probably the only way is if he doesn't have a good year but then would we want him either ?? Nova is up in the air as well, was it his shoulder or had he just been figured out by other teams ?? Lots of questions, like the old saying you can never have enough pitching...




Right now we have no DH, a joke of a catcher and we have no idea what to expect from Gardner.  The Yankees have a nice opportunity to get a very solid bat and it won't cost that much.  It's not like it would be that difficult to replace Hughes.




Pray tell me with who ?? Again if there are no injuries to our pitchers it might not be that hard to replace Hughes, but what if ???




You're assuming there will be an injury but whoever they can get.  It's not like Hughes is a stud.





How many teams get 30-34 starts from each of there original starting rotation?





True but like I said we aren't talking about a #2 or #3 starter.  Hughes at best is a #4.  He gives up too many home runs, he doesn't go deep in games and if he were on any other team we wouldn't even be thinking of trading for him.  So right now if the Nats want Hughes for Morse I'd do it in a heartbeat.  I'm sure we have kids in AAA that can get the job done if needed.




If Morse was a Yankee and Hughes a National the Yankees would most definitely trade Morse for him. They would be trading a 4th OF/DH with limited defensive skills for a young pitcher who could win 20 games. That would be a steal.




Hughes win 20 games?  Yeah right keep dreaming.  




I said "could". He won 18 in 2010 and 16 in 2012. That's pretty good for someone who is still learnig to pitch and battle injuries. A little tweak in his mechanics and another mph on his fastball and you're looking at a 20 game winner.




It's hard for aces to win 20 games, it would require a lot of luck for someone who struggles to pitch 6 innings to win 20 games.  Hopefully I'm wrong and he does develop more but right now I don't see it happening.


 A little tweak in his mechanics and another mph on his fastball and you're looking at a 20 game winner.



When did you become a pitching expert?  A guy can throw the ball 99 mph and still suck if he can't keep it out of the middle of the plate.  


Hughes imo was overhyped coming through the farm, they wanted him badly to be the powerarm that they dreamed of but he obviously he never should of had those expectations.  Now I am not saying he is bad, he fits nicely into the 4th or 5th starter role but it is a bit disappointing when a player isn't as advertised.





Geez, stop with the sarcasm. I'm only guessing like everyone else. If he's leaving it over the plate its probably a mechanical issue. The reports also seem to indicate his fastball has lost a few mph. Put those two together and it could change the outcome of a handful of batters and the game. He got burned on a lot of 2 strike counts. If you turn those 2 strike counts into outs instead of hits you have a very different pitcher.




That's a lot of if's.  like I said I hope I'm wrong but I'm not going to count on it.

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