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Oh the Arrogance!
2 years ago  ::  Jan 17, 2013 - 10:47AM #21
newinn
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Jan 17, 2013 -- 10:13AM, JoeGNJ wrote:


Jan 17, 2013 -- 9:08AM, newinn wrote:


IMO, Rose should be in the HOF but I also think everytime he opens his mouth he gets further away from induction




His lack of remorse is mind numbing. Main reason, (aside from the betting alone) despite his stats, I hope he never gets to address the public at an induction ceremony.





Pete is the kind of guy that would get up there at his induction speech and tell everyone how great he was. I really respected him as a ballplayer because he got every ounce out of his talent. Doesn't seem to be much of a human being though

2 years ago  ::  Jan 17, 2013 - 10:48AM #22
GottaGoToMo
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Jan 17, 2013 -- 9:08AM, newinn wrote:


IMO, Rose should be in the HOF but I also think everytime he opens his mouth he gets further away from induction





Knowing when to shut up is a very big asset that very few people have.

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2 years ago  ::  Jan 17, 2013 - 10:48AM #23
newinn
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Jan 17, 2013 -- 10:46AM, IGotYouBabe wrote:


Jan 17, 2013 -- 10:23AM, JoeGNJ wrote:

even TODAY, the guy has zero remorse.


Maybe, but he admitted his guilt. Players like Bonds and Clemens have no remorse AND the continue to lie about their PED use. Directing continued negativity at Pete who IMO has paid the price for his mistakes many times over, is misplaced outrage. It's similar to the outrage the media directs at MLB for its PED history, while the NFL -- who agreed TWO YEARS AGO to do something about its obvious PED abuse problems, has done nothing about it and receives no media scrutiny whatsoever.  





Clemens and Bonds aren't in the HOF either though.

2 years ago  ::  Jan 17, 2013 - 11:46AM #24
61in61
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Jan 17, 2013 -- 9:54AM, IGotYouBabe wrote:


Jan 17, 2013 -- 9:48AM, 61in61 wrote:

Gambling on the game taints it more than players taking PED's.


Don't agree. If he intentionally threw games to make money, yes, but there's been no evidence or talk of that. Sounds like he bet on his team to win, and that's the personality he displayed on the field all those years -- WIN. That's not cheating, whereas taking drugs to improve your ability to hit more HRs so that your team can win, is cheating.  




We don't know the extent of Pete's gambling. Its quite possible that MLB has a lot more evidence on him than has been leaked to the public, and hence the ban.


Betting on your team to win does not make the "crime" less onerous. He obviously wouldn't bet on every game. So, other gamblers would wait to see which game he didn't bet on. That might be a tip that he knew something. Its like a stock broker giving his buddies "insider" information.

2 years ago  ::  Jan 17, 2013 - 12:22PM #25
IGotYouBabe
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Jan 17, 2013 -- 11:46AM, 61in61 wrote:

Betting on your team to win does not make the "crime" less onerous. He obviously wouldn't bet on every game. So, other gamblers would wait to see which game he didn't bet on. That might be a tip that he knew something. Its like a stock broker giving his buddies "insider" information.



Good point. Still, given the billions of dollars each year that are legally bet on sports, and the hundreds of millions of dollars sports organizations make from that betting, it's hypocritical IMO to speak of Rose "betting of sports" as something so monsterous and inconceivable that he should be banned from the HOF. Again, the hypocrisy of this issue along with the whole steriod debate is absolutely sickening to me.

2 years ago  ::  Jan 17, 2013 - 2:21PM #26
FW57Clipper51
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Sorry Rose gambled on the game, still  the big No, No, lifetime ban remains the same, see Shoeless Joe Jackson and others.


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2 years ago  ::  Jan 19, 2013 - 3:02PM #27
ninja108
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 Pete Rose told the truth after years and years of lying. That doesn't deserve any kind of praise.


 And the excuse that he only bet on his own team is also hogwash. I've seen other cases where coaches/managers only bet on thier teams to win. BUt that also meant they would do what it took to win, even putting their own players at risk to do so.


 Pete Rose is no victim and I have no problems with him being banned from the hall.

2 years ago  ::  Jan 19, 2013 - 3:40PM #28
JoeGNJ
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Jan 19, 2013 -- 3:02PM, ninja108 wrote:


I've seen other cases where coaches/managers only bet on thier teams to win. BUt that also meant they would do what it took to win, even putting their own players at risk to do so.




Out of curiosity Ninja, which ones were they? Were they given lifetime bans as well?

JoeGNJ
2 years ago  ::  Jan 19, 2013 - 8:28PM #29
ninja108
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Jan 19, 2013 -- 3:40PM, JoeGNJ wrote:


Jan 19, 2013 -- 3:02PM, ninja108 wrote:


I've seen other cases where coaches/managers only bet on thier teams to win. BUt that also meant they would do what it took to win, even putting their own players at risk to do so.




Out of curiosity Ninja, which ones were they? Were they given lifetime bans as well?





 Should have been more specific in that I wasn't just talking about baseball but other sports as well. The punishments varied of course.


 As for Pete,he brought it on himself.

2 years ago  ::  Jan 22, 2013 - 12:36PM #30
Daltons the name
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loved Pete Rose as a player.......but that respect went out the window, the day he admitted that he bet on his own team......I don't care if you bet on your team to win or lose.....it was wrong and the repercussions will haunt him until his dying day.....sad....but something that he "knew" was wrong, and the day he signed the paperwork acknowledging his "lifetime" ban from baseball, or furthermore the Hall of Fame , is a sad fact he will have to live with.....he didn't sign that lifetime ban under any type of duress, or kangaroo court......he acknowledged the wrongdoing......not a chance he should ever be considered for the Hall........when they come up with a Hall of Shame......he's in 1st ballot.....no spot anywhere in baseball , and it should stay that way forever.....

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