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2 years ago  ::  Jan 27, 2013 - 10:15PM #91
Yankee1954
Posts: 8,749

Jan 25, 2013 -- 7:23PM, newinn wrote:


Jan 25, 2013 -- 10:30AM, JoeGNJ wrote:


I'm not so sure that I can agree with the view that Cash is "spiting" Steinbrenner. Ownership set a goal for reasons that they feel are justified. I'm sure Cash had input on that. Whether they LISTENED to him or not, is another question. When you speculate that Cash is thumbing his nose at Hal, you imply that Cash operates in a vaccum with no ongoing dialogue with Hal etc. I'm sure he's brought ideas up, that they either tossed aside or agreed on. I believe there's been (is) discussion on possible moves, and thats ongoing. One thing we as fans DON"T have, is the knowledge THEY have behind the scenes. Being a Yankee GM is just liek being in mgmt in any other position. You have a boss, decisions are made by them that sometime go your way, soemtimes dont. I give Cash enough credit for being an "adult" and not sulking every time soemthing doesnt go his way. On rare occasions, (aka Soriano) we know his stance. On others, its pure speculation. Bottom line---Yanks $189 payroll cap is a REAL goal. As a fan. I'm forced to live with rooting for that team. No problemo. If and when they suck, I'll toss in my comments.





I certainly agree and understand with signing guys like Hamilton or some of the longer term, bigger money guys Joe, but he's passed on a ton of 1 year low budget guys like Ibanez. Certainly not the big time game changers but the guys that fill out a roster with some proffessional at bats. That's what leads me to believe he might be thumbing his nose. ike I said, I'm just speculating.


As far as not 1 pitch being thrown yet. Heck just talking baseball and making our predictions. Nothing else to talk about if we don't do that. Sure can't talk about our lates trade or latest signingSmile




+100

2 years ago  ::  Jan 27, 2013 - 10:20PM #92
Yankee1954
Posts: 8,749

Jan 27, 2013 -- 12:45PM, newinn wrote:


I think the real joy and what seperates us


as Yankee fans, is the incredible history, the iconic players we


have seen (over 50 years for many of us) and so many


Oct. memories but I also think what seperates us is an ability to look forward


with more then just a faint hope of competing for a championship. While we


will always have great memories of the past, I think some of us are concerned


that the direction the boys are taking us, our hope for the future might be marginalized.


I want them to make decisions with either The immediate future or a little longer vision


with the idea of creating another dyynasty. I think this offseason they have done neither




Bingo New. Even when the aYankes are not very good you can pull out a couple of books and read about teams from other decades. No team in any sport has our history and longevity of winning. Yes, we are spoiled. So what, we deserve to be spoiled because no one else will feel sorry for us. They will laugh and ridicule just like they do in other cities and in the media. I hope , like you said, that they do things that set up our future. But as I have said, I believe they are creating the perfect storm to sell the Yankees. We can only hope the new owners have a sense of baseball history.

2 years ago  ::  Jan 28, 2013 - 3:24AM #93
ninja108
Posts: 4,118

Yes,and I hope when they do look at the history,they take a look at the 80's and parts of the 2000's. The mess we're in right now is in part not only because of the new CBA but the overpriced contracts we gave out.

2 years ago  ::  Jan 28, 2013 - 7:45AM #94
newinn
Posts: 19,549

Jan 27, 2013 -- 9:17PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Jan 27, 2013 -- 12:45PM, newinn wrote:


I think the real joy and what seperates us


as Yankee fans, is the incredible history, the iconic players we


have seen (over 50 years for many of us) and so many


Oct. memories but I also think what seperates us is an ability to look forward


with more then just a faint hope of competing for a championship. While we


will always have great memories of the past, I think some of us are concerned


that the direction the boys are taking us, our hope for the future might be marginalized.


I want them to make decisions with either The immediate future or a little longer vision


with the idea of creating another dyynasty. I think this offseason they have done neither




The H&H boys are not interested in creating another dynasty ... they're interested in making the team as economically viable as possible for a sale.





According to Big Guy (and I agree) they won't sell for a couple of years. It will be interesting to see how the value of the team holds up if they drive it into the ground and kill ratings and attendence

2 years ago  ::  Jan 28, 2013 - 7:49AM #95
newinn
Posts: 19,549

Jan 27, 2013 -- 10:20PM, Yankee1954 wrote:


Jan 27, 2013 -- 12:45PM, newinn wrote:


I think the real joy and what seperates us


as Yankee fans, is the incredible history, the iconic players we


have seen (over 50 years for many of us) and so many


Oct. memories but I also think what seperates us is an ability to look forward


with more then just a faint hope of competing for a championship. While we


will always have great memories of the past, I think some of us are concerned


that the direction the boys are taking us, our hope for the future might be marginalized.


I want them to make decisions with either The immediate future or a little longer vision


with the idea of creating another dyynasty. I think this offseason they have done neither




Bingo New. Even when the aYankes are not very good you can pull out a couple of books and read about teams from other decades. No team in any sport has our history and longevity of winning. Yes, we are spoiled. So what, we deserve to be spoiled because no one else will feel sorry for us. They will laugh and ridicule just like they do in other cities and in the media. I hope , like you said, that they do things that set up our future. But as I have said, I believe they are creating the perfect storm to sell the Yankees. We can only hope the new owners have a sense of baseball history.




I was thinking of other dynasties in sports Dave and the one that is closest to the Yankees is probably the Montreal Canadians. I'm sure the fans are vey proud of their incredible history but they haven't won a Cup in a very long time. I would guess that their history is less important to fans now that they haven't won in so long. An organizations history can be incredibly important but I don't think more important then the present and the future.

2 years ago  ::  Jan 28, 2013 - 7:50AM #96
newinn
Posts: 19,549

Jan 27, 2013 -- 9:56PM, 78Bombers wrote:


"that the direction the boys are taking us, our hope for the future might be marginalized."


Newinn has such a nice way of putting things...





Ahhhhh, you know me '78, very mellow and not very opinionatedLaughing

2 years ago  ::  Jan 28, 2013 - 10:16AM #97
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 39,776

Jan 28, 2013 -- 7:45AM, newinn wrote:


Jan 27, 2013 -- 9:17PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Jan 27, 2013 -- 12:45PM, newinn wrote:


I think the real joy and what seperates us


as Yankee fans, is the incredible history, the iconic players we


have seen (over 50 years for many of us) and so many


Oct. memories but I also think what seperates us is an ability to look forward


with more then just a faint hope of competing for a championship. While we


will always have great memories of the past, I think some of us are concerned


that the direction the boys are taking us, our hope for the future might be marginalized.


I want them to make decisions with either The immediate future or a little longer vision


with the idea of creating another dyynasty. I think this offseason they have done neither




The H&H boys are not interested in creating another dynasty ... they're interested in making the team as economically viable as possible for a sale.





According to Big Guy (and I agree) they won't sell for a couple of years. It will be interesting to see how the value of the team holds up if they drive it into the ground and kill ratings and attendence




It takes years to change the economics of a team so that they are more appealing to a purchaser ... I do believe the decisions Hal is making for this team are based on making the team look attractive to potential purchasers ... we will see.

mariano42



"Without the Lord, I cannot do it."  Mariano Rivera - 9/22/13

2 years ago  ::  Jan 28, 2013 - 10:45AM #98
JoeGNJ
Posts: 12,495

I dont look at this as a "rebuilding" year. I'm taking the FO's words to heart that they are looking to get the salary down to $189mil  BY 2014 to avoid paying the luxury tax. After 2014, my understanding (and admittedly, my knowledge is far from perfect as to how these rules work) is that the "flood gates" open as far as them being able to "write checks" w/o a luxury tax issue. So, IMO, they havent ceased to want to win championships, gone into a rebuilding mode, or are planning the eventual sale of the franchise by instituting the cap. They hit the "pause" button for 2013 and 2014. As of today, things have unfolded exactly how Hal said they would. He's also added that IF, the right move came along, (I read that as a combo of talent, needs, price, and years) thyed ignore the $189 cap. Ive not seen that opportunity. What we have seen, is them pass on soem big names, who all have soem questions marks and baggage for a variety of reasons. As a fan, I;d LOVE to see a superfstar at every postions and have the AL East locked up by July 4th and sweep our way to #28. Hals said he's tired of forking over millions based on the Yankee's success and brand. I'm tired of working harder to take home less when the govt takes my money in taxes.  I also hate to see Selig stack the deck against us every step of the way. ALOT can happen between now and 2014---maybe A-Rod WONT come back. That opens up a plethora of options. Maybe they want money to sign Cano by paying him the universe? We just dont know.  I take Hal at his word as to why he's capped sals...no panic here.

JoeGNJ
2 years ago  ::  Jan 28, 2013 - 10:57AM #99
yank0428
Posts: 6,896

Jan 28, 2013 -- 10:16AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Jan 28, 2013 -- 7:45AM, newinn wrote:


Jan 27, 2013 -- 9:17PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Jan 27, 2013 -- 12:45PM, newinn wrote:


I think the real joy and what seperates us


as Yankee fans, is the incredible history, the iconic players we


have seen (over 50 years for many of us) and so many


Oct. memories but I also think what seperates us is an ability to look forward


with more then just a faint hope of competing for a championship. While we


will always have great memories of the past, I think some of us are concerned


that the direction the boys are taking us, our hope for the future might be marginalized.


I want them to make decisions with either The immediate future or a little longer vision


with the idea of creating another dyynasty. I think this offseason they have done neither




The H&H boys are not interested in creating another dynasty ... they're interested in making the team as economically viable as possible for a sale.





According to Big Guy (and I agree) they won't sell for a couple of years. It will be interesting to see how the value of the team holds up if they drive it into the ground and kill ratings and attendence




It takes years to change the economics of a team so that they are more appealing to a purchaser ... I do believe the decisions Hal is making for this team are based on making the team look attractive to potential purchasers ... we will see.



Mo I don't see how signing stop gap older players to one year deals makes a team more appealing to buy. I know he's doing it to get to 189 but I don't see how that makes this team better in the future. Hal knows nothing about what it takes to put a winning team on the field . All he knows is budgets. If he was smart in both area's knowing the new CBA was coming he would have pounced on the free agent internationals that were available before it kicked in. They did nothing. A propesctive buyer would love to see Cespedes in RF for the next 5 years a 10 mil per. So would fans. A prospective buyer would love to see Chapman coming out of the bullpen throwing over a 100 MPH and making 2 mil this year, 3 mil next year.


 I think Bomber wrote that what makes anyone think that with the new CBA this same group can excel putting a team together when it's more difficult to do so. Their succes comes from signing high priced free agents, not drafting or trades. Jeter , Mo and Andy were here before this group. Hal goes on the radio every year and says that his main goal is to put a championship team on the field. Does anyone belive that's his main goal. We better hope they sell.  

2 years ago  ::  Jan 28, 2013 - 1:59PM #100
misscamaguey
Posts: 4,538

The only way the fans can hurt the H Brothers is by no attending the games. They must have seen empty seats during the 2012 poor post season play, and so far they have done  ZILCH!!! to improve the team.

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