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Mets fans must be livid as Bourn inked a 4 year deal with Cleveland.
2 years ago  ::  Feb 13, 2013 - 8:49AM #11
NW
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Gardner is basically a poor man's Michael Bourn but you're right, I'd never spend $12M per for 4 years on a center fielder who is at the age where similar players usually erode quickly.  All you have to do is look at the players who compare similarly to him at age 29:


1.  Max Flack - played forever and a day ago, I'm not even going to compare him.


2.  Brett Butler - the only player on this list who is the exception, had his best years from 29-33 and had a long career.


3.  Dave Collins - center field days were done by age 29.  He was an offensive liability as a corner outfielder.


4.  Roger Cedeno - career done at 30.


5.  Brian Hunter - career done at 32, effectively he was done 2 years earlier.


6.  Albie Pierson - career done at 30.


7-9.  All played in the early 1900's.


10.  Rudy Law - career done at 29.

2 years ago  ::  Feb 13, 2013 - 1:51PM #12
dixieyank
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Poor Sandy Alderson, now on Francesa, trying to sell a worn down nag to the ticket buyers for '13. He has one sad job, but at least he gets paid well for it.


There is simply no way to spin the Mets. It's like the Astros. The team is shot for the foreseeable future, with no chance to get into the playoff picture.


They will be out from under most all the big contracts in a year, but they don't really have any shining spots to look forward to unless they spend like crazy and build from FA pools.


2 years ago  ::  Feb 13, 2013 - 2:40PM #13
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Mets even though they lost out on Bourne, won out. 4/5 years at $12M on a speed/defense guy at age 31 isnt a good deal. 



 Mets future looks bright:


-They have 2 impact young pitchers (Harvey & Wheeler) with a pretty good young pitcher in Niese in the rotation and a potential stud in Syndegaard.


- Got a promising  young offensive catceher back for Dickey in D'arnaud.


- Have good bats at the corner infield already in Ike (off year) and Wright.


- Have a few prospects who will make their mark in upcoming years (Flores, Nimmo, Familia, Cechinni...)


- They will also have a crap load of money to spend on a player like Wainwright or even Cano.


- They might also get something for Santana midseason if he can stay healthy and effective.

Let's Go Yankees!!!!!!
2 years ago  ::  Feb 13, 2013 - 3:52PM #14
paterson
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Feb 13, 2013 -- 1:50AM, Yankees wrote:


Feb 12, 2013 -- 4:08PM, paterson wrote:


Feb 12, 2013 -- 3:21PM, go4broke wrote:


If I was a Met fan I would be grateful my team didnt spend almost 50 million dollars on a player with the same skill set as Brett Gardner. Good defense good speed almost no power and an absurd amount of strikeouts.




   The comparison between Gardner and Bourne is pretty true. Given that Gardner is a little younger and under control for two more years...I wonder how much trade value he might have had this offseason. This might have been a pretty interesting offseason if the front office had a little more creativity.




You're comparing an all star to a guy who barely played in 2012, you do realize that right?




   As a general rule a player's home team knows him better than anyone. That is not always true, but it usually is. Bourne's home team traded away some very valuable parts and added salary rather than keep him in center field. Gardner's home team is willing to count on him to play 150 games this season and is so sure of his health...it did not spend the extra money to sign an extra outfielder. That tells you something about the what the organizations think of the players.


   If you look at what they have done in their careers, Gardner's numbers are pretty close to Bourne's. No one in baseball tracks a fly ball much better than Brett. And he costs $9 M less. Yes...he has trade value. 

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