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Damon Wants Back In For Peanuts
6 years ago  ::  Feb 27, 2013 - 11:41AM #31
Max
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Sorry, the Peanuts have full no trade clause. Wink


 


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6 years ago  ::  Feb 27, 2013 - 1:50PM #32
Paterson
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Feb 27, 2013 -- 10:24AM, ru4_nyy wrote:


Feb 26, 2013 -- 9:21PM, NW wrote:


Actually, if you look at Damon and Matsui's statistics after 2009, it actually seems that Cashman made good decisions not to hang on to aging players for too long.  Neither has had significant contributions to anything since 2009.





+1 BINGO!




   In 2010 either Matsui or Damon would have been a far better choice at the DH spot than the guys Cashman brought to the club - Nick Johnson. Damon wanted too much money for too long...but Matsui should have been kept. For the record, Matsui's hit 21 home runs, batted 274 with an OPS+ of 126. If you recall...the year started with  Randy Winn as an outfielder and Nick Johnson to the DH and ended with Lance Berkman on the team. Matsui or Damon would have been contributors in 2010.



6 years ago  ::  Feb 27, 2013 - 3:40PM #33
ru4_nyy
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Feb 27, 2013 -- 1:50PM, Paterson wrote:


Feb 27, 2013 -- 10:24AM, ru4_nyy wrote:


Feb 26, 2013 -- 9:21PM, NW wrote:


Actually, if you look at Damon and Matsui's statistics after 2009, it actually seems that Cashman made good decisions not to hang on to aging players for too long.  Neither has had significant contributions to anything since 2009.





+1 BINGO!




   In 2010 either Matsui or Damon would have been a far better choice at the DH spot than the guys Cashman brought to the club - Nick Johnson. Damon wanted too much money for too long...but Matsui should have been kept. For the record, Matsui's hit 21 home runs, batted 274 with an OPS+ of 126. If you recall...the year started with  Randy Winn as an outfielder and Nick Johnson to the DH and ended with Lance Berkman on the team. Matsui or Damon would have been contributors in 2010.







but neither would have signed a one year deal.

6 years ago  ::  Feb 27, 2013 - 4:49PM #34
Paterson
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Feb 27, 2013 -- 3:40PM, ru4_nyy wrote:


Feb 27, 2013 -- 1:50PM, Paterson wrote:


Feb 27, 2013 -- 10:24AM, ru4_nyy wrote:


Feb 26, 2013 -- 9:21PM, NW wrote:


Actually, if you look at Damon and Matsui's statistics after 2009, it actually seems that Cashman made good decisions not to hang on to aging players for too long.  Neither has had significant contributions to anything since 2009.





+1 BINGO!




   In 2010 either Matsui or Damon would have been a far better choice at the DH spot than the guys Cashman brought to the club - Nick Johnson. Damon wanted too much money for too long...but Matsui should have been kept. For the record, Matsui's hit 21 home runs, batted 274 with an OPS+ of 126. If you recall...the year started with  Randy Winn as an outfielder and Nick Johnson to the DH and ended with Lance Berkman on the team. Matsui or Damon would have been contributors in 2010.







but neither would have signed a one year deal.




   They both signed one year deals.  Hideki Matsui got one year from the Angels in on December 14...four days later the Yankees announced a  deal with Nick Johnson. The money was close...Hideki got $6.5 M and Johnson $5.5 M. The Yankees could have brought him back.


   Damon wanted a bigger deal and ended up "settling" for one year at $8 M at the start of ST that year. I don't know if he would have taken the same from the Yankees...but clearly the Yankees could have retained Matsui.


     

6 years ago  ::  Feb 27, 2013 - 7:53PM #35
NW
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Feb 27, 2013 -- 1:50PM, Paterson wrote:


Feb 27, 2013 -- 10:24AM, ru4_nyy wrote:


Feb 26, 2013 -- 9:21PM, NW wrote:


Actually, if you look at Damon and Matsui's statistics after 2009, it actually seems that Cashman made good decisions not to hang on to aging players for too long.  Neither has had significant contributions to anything since 2009.





+1 BINGO!




   In 2010 either Matsui or Damon would have been a far better choice at the DH spot than the guys Cashman brought to the club - Nick Johnson. Damon wanted too much money for too long...but Matsui should have been kept. For the record, Matsui's hit 21 home runs, batted 274 with an OPS+ of 126. If you recall...the year started with  Randy Winn as an outfielder and Nick Johnson to the DH and ended with Lance Berkman on the team. Matsui or Damon would have been contributors in 2010.






And the Yankees got 25 HR from the DH spot in 2010.  Matsui had a good, but not great season, and the replacements that took his spot in the lineup produced more, even after the primary replacement went down.

6 years ago  ::  Feb 27, 2013 - 9:10PM #36
Paterson
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Feb 27, 2013 -- 7:53PM, NW wrote:


Feb 27, 2013 -- 1:50PM, Paterson wrote:


Feb 27, 2013 -- 10:24AM, ru4_nyy wrote:


Feb 26, 2013 -- 9:21PM, NW wrote:


Actually, if you look at Damon and Matsui's statistics after 2009, it actually seems that Cashman made good decisions not to hang on to aging players for too long.  Neither has had significant contributions to anything since 2009.





+1 BINGO!




   In 2010 either Matsui or Damon would have been a far better choice at the DH spot than the guys Cashman brought to the club - Nick Johnson. Damon wanted too much money for too long...but Matsui should have been kept. For the record, Matsui's hit 21 home runs, batted 274 with an OPS+ of 126. If you recall...the year started with  Randy Winn as an outfielder and Nick Johnson to the DH and ended with Lance Berkman on the team. Matsui or Damon would have been contributors in 2010.






And the Yankees got 25 HR from the DH spot in 2010.  Matsui had a good, but not great season, and the replacements that took his spot in the lineup produced more, even after the primary replacement went down.




   You are comparing a position versus a player. Matsui had 558 pa - the DH spot for the Yankees had 666 so Matsui hit more home runs per pa. Matsui hit for an average of 274 with an obp of 361. The DH spot for the Yankees hit a collective 256 with an obp of 338. Hideki drove in 84 runs, one more than the DH slot for the Yankees even though he had 108 fewer pa. And he did it in while playing half his games in  much less hitter friendly yard.  The stats guys who try to factor in all these things gave the Yankee DH collection an OPS+ of 107 compared to Matsui's rating of 126.  Matsui was better...there is no argument. 


  

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