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6 years ago  ::  Dec 12, 2013 - 10:40PM #21
nystripes2
Posts: 6,287

Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:37PM, AceMitchell wrote:


Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:05PM, Yankees wrote:


This all could of been avoided if they did away with their silly policies.




They won't because they don't understand baseball has changed and still cling to old policies. I understand not wanting to extend a player that's not worth it like Hughes or Joba but when it comes to players with a long track record lock them up. You avoid the free agent bs and the player gets a good contract. It's a win for both sides. When the next great Yankee prospect comes up in 10-15 yrs will they wait for him to be a free agent to lock him up. 




Derek Jeter back in 2000 was going to be a lot cheaper of a contract (though it actually worked out for the most part for both parties), until Arod signed the biggest deal in history, then Yankees had to pay for Jeter more than they would have, Bernie the same thing, Rivera, Pettitte left for Houston, it can go on and on.

6 years ago  ::  Dec 12, 2013 - 10:45PM #22
AceMitchell
Posts: 7,196

Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:40PM, nystripes2 wrote:


Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:37PM, AceMitchell wrote:


Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:05PM, Yankees wrote:


This all could of been avoided if they did away with their silly policies.




They won't because they don't understand baseball has changed and still cling to old policies. I understand not wanting to extend a player that's not worth it like Hughes or Joba but when it comes to players with a long track record lock them up. You avoid the free agent bs and the player gets a good contract. It's a win for both sides. When the next great Yankee prospect comes up in 10-15 yrs will they wait for him to be a free agent to lock him up. 




Derek Jeter back in 2000 was going to be a lot cheaper of a contract (though it actually worked out for the most part for both parties), until Arod signed the biggest deal in history, then Yankees had to pay for Jeter more than they would have, Bernie the same thing, Rivera, Pettitte left for Houston, it can go on and on.




Yep you can come up with a ton of examples. Ppl forget Jeter's contract was based off onwhat A-rod signed for. 



You're right though his deal worked out. 

To anyone going through a difficult time right now  remember someone always has it worse.
6 years ago  ::  Dec 12, 2013 - 10:48PM #23
nystripes2
Posts: 6,287

Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:45PM, AceMitchell wrote:


Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:40PM, nystripes2 wrote:


Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:37PM, AceMitchell wrote:


Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:05PM, Yankees wrote:


This all could of been avoided if they did away with their silly policies.




They won't because they don't understand baseball has changed and still cling to old policies. I understand not wanting to extend a player that's not worth it like Hughes or Joba but when it comes to players with a long track record lock them up. You avoid the free agent bs and the player gets a good contract. It's a win for both sides. When the next great Yankee prospect comes up in 10-15 yrs will they wait for him to be a free agent to lock him up. 




Derek Jeter back in 2000 was going to be a lot cheaper of a contract (though it actually


worked out for the most part for both parties), until Arod signed the biggest deal in history, then Yankees had to pay for Jeter more than they would have, Bernie the same thing, Rivera, Pettitte left for Houston, it can go on and on.




Yep you can come up with a ton of examples. Ppl forget Jeter's contract was based off onwhat A-rod signed for. 



You're right though his deal worked out. 




now if they're Free Agents they want?.. Yankees go all out to get them, and make them a priority and don't really do anything else until they get that person, CC, Burnett, Tex, Giambi, Sheffield, etc. etc etc.

6 years ago  ::  Dec 12, 2013 - 10:54PM #24
yankman
Posts: 15

Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:16PM, AceMitchell wrote:


Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:10PM, Based Boardroomjimmy wrote:


Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:07PM, nystripes2 wrote:

whatever im so sick of both parties on this. Cano asked for the moon, and the Yankees barely offered him.any more than Ellsbury, both screwed up




yankees didn't screw up. You think if they upped the offer to 200M he would have told $eattle thanks but no thanks?




Yankees screwed up when he asked for an extension and they told him play out your contract. He screwed up by reacting on emotion. I think they soured on each other after he asked for it and they told him no. From that point on he probably looked at this as a business. 




Ever think they didn't want to extend him. Seeing his laziness

6 years ago  ::  Dec 12, 2013 - 10:56PM #25
go4broke
Posts: 2,305

Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:37PM, AceMitchell wrote:


Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:05PM, Yankees wrote:


This all could of been avoided if they did away with their silly policies.




They won't because they don't understand baseball has changed and still cling to old policies. I understand not wanting to extend a player that's not worth it like Hughes or Joba but when it comes to players with a long track record lock them up. You avoid the free agent bs and the player gets a good contract. It's a win for both sides. When the next great Yankee prospect comes up in 10-15 yrs will they wait for him to be a free agent to lock him up. 




I cant blame the Yankees on this one because for once they did lock up a good player when he was young. People keep forgetting that they signed him for 6 years and 57 million dollars after he had only played 2 years..They cant be blamed when they asked cano what would it cost to sign an extension instead of hitting the market and he hit them with that 310 million dollar number. I understand a player not giving a home town discount but what Cano asked for was so beyond reasonable that its kind of a surprise that the Yankees did make the very generous offer they did.


Look at it from the teams point of view. They gave a second year player who wasn't even arbitration eligible a 4 year guaranteed 30 million dollar deal that also included options worth almost 30 million more for 2 years. They took all the risk in their end and Canos response after that in the next negotiation was to start off with that ridiculous number.

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6 years ago  ::  Dec 12, 2013 - 10:56PM #26
AceMitchell
Posts: 7,196

Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:54PM, yankman wrote:


Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:16PM, AceMitchell wrote:


Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:10PM, Based Boardroomjimmy wrote:


Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:07PM, nystripes2 wrote:

whatever im so sick of both parties on this. Cano asked for the moon, and the Yankees barely offered him.any more than Ellsbury, both screwed up




yankees didn't screw up. You think if they upped the offer to 200M he would have told $eattle thanks but no thanks?




Yankees screwed up when he asked for an extension and they told him play out your contract. He screwed up by reacting on emotion. I think they soured on each other after he asked for it and they told him no. From that point on he probably looked at this as a business. 




Ever think they didn't want to extend him. Seeing his laziness




So then why offer him an extension two yrs after that. Them offering him an extension is the FO realizing oh ish we messed up. 

To anyone going through a difficult time right now  remember someone always has it worse.
6 years ago  ::  Dec 12, 2013 - 10:57PM #27
nystripes2
Posts: 6,287

Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:56PM, go4broke wrote:


Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:37PM, AceMitchell wrote:


Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:05PM, Yankees wrote:


This all could of been avoided if they did away with their silly policies.




They won't because they don't understand baseball has changed and still cling to old policies. I understand not wanting to extend a player that's not worth it like Hughes or Joba but when it comes to players with a long track record lock them up. You avoid the free agent bs and the player gets a good contract. It's a win for both sides. When the next great Yankee prospect comes up in 10-15 yrs will they wait for him to be a free agent to lock him up. 




I cant blame the Yankees on this one because for once they did lock up a good player when he was young. People keep forgetting that they signed him for 6 years and 57 million dollars after he had only played 2 years..They cant be blamed when they asked cano what would it cost to sign an extension instead of hitting the market and he hit them with that 310 million dollar number. I understand a player not giving a home town discount but what Cano asked for was so beyond reasonable that its kind of a surprise that the Yankees did make the very generous offer they did.


Look at it from the teams point of view. They gave a second year player who wasn't even arbitration eligible a 4 year guaranteed 30 million dollar deal that also included options worth almost 30 million more for 2 years. They took all the risk in their end and Canos response after that in the next negotiation was to start off with that ridiculous number.




Yes, but again they could have negotiated a longer term contract when both Cano and Boras were open to it rather than playing out both option years which is what the Yankees wanted him to do.

6 years ago  ::  Dec 12, 2013 - 10:59PM #28
AceMitchell
Posts: 7,196

Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:48PM, nystripes2 wrote:


Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:45PM, AceMitchell wrote:


Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:40PM, nystripes2 wrote:


Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:37PM, AceMitchell wrote:


Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:05PM, Yankees wrote:


This all could of been avoided if they did away with their silly policies.




They won't because they don't understand baseball has changed and still cling to old policies. I understand not wanting to extend a player that's not worth it like Hughes or Joba but when it comes to players with a long track record lock them up. You avoid the free agent bs and the player gets a good contract. It's a win for both sides. When the next great Yankee prospect comes up in 10-15 yrs will they wait for him to be a free agent to lock him up. 




Derek Jeter back in 2000 was going to be a lot cheaper of a contract (though it actually


worked out for the most part for both parties), until Arod signed the biggest deal in history, then Yankees had to pay for Jeter more than they would have, Bernie the same thing, Rivera, Pettitte left for Houston, it can go on and on.




Yep you can come up with a ton of examples. Ppl forget Jeter's contract was based off onwhat A-rod signed for. 



You're right though his deal worked out. 




now if they're Free Agents they want?.. Yankees go all out to get them, and make them a priority and don't really do anything else until they get that person, CC, Burnett, Tex, Giambi, Sheffield, etc. etc etc.





Exactly when it's players they want it's nothing but roses and sweet nothings in their ear. This was different from Cano. I think both sides dug in the sand and didn't move. Cano stated early on no discounts and the Yankees stated he's not a miust sign or anything like that. Both sides let emotions get in the business

To anyone going through a difficult time right now  remember someone always has it worse.
6 years ago  ::  Dec 12, 2013 - 11:00PM #29
AceMitchell
Posts: 7,196

Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:56PM, go4broke wrote:


Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:37PM, AceMitchell wrote:


Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:05PM, Yankees wrote:


This all could of been avoided if they did away with their silly policies.




They won't because they don't understand baseball has changed and still cling to old policies. I understand not wanting to extend a player that's not worth it like Hughes or Joba but when it comes to players with a long track record lock them up. You avoid the free agent bs and the player gets a good contract. It's a win for both sides. When the next great Yankee prospect comes up in 10-15 yrs will they wait for him to be a free agent to lock him up. 




I cant blame the Yankees on this one because for once they did lock up a good player when he was young. People keep forgetting that they signed him for 6 years and 57 million dollars after he had only played 2 years..They cant be blamed when they asked cano what would it cost to sign an extension instead of hitting the market and he hit them with that 310 million dollar number. I understand a player not giving a home town discount but what Cano asked for was so beyond reasonable that its kind of a surprise that the Yankees did make the very generous offer they did.


Look at it from the teams point of view. They gave a second year player who wasn't even arbitration eligible a 4 year guaranteed 30 million dollar deal that also included options worth almost 30 million more for 2 years. They took all the risk in their end and Canos response after that in the next negotiation was to start off with that ridiculous number.




Stripes said it best. 

To anyone going through a difficult time right now  remember someone always has it worse.
6 years ago  ::  Dec 12, 2013 - 11:01PM #30
nystripes2
Posts: 6,287

Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:59PM, AceMitchell wrote:


Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:48PM, nystripes2 wrote:


Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:45PM, AceMitchell wrote:


Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:40PM, nystripes2 wrote:


Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:37PM, AceMitchell wrote:


Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:05PM, Yankees wrote:


This all could of been avoided if they did away with their silly policies.




They won't because they don't understand baseball has changed and still cling to old policies. I understand not wanting to extend a player that's not worth it like Hughes or Joba but when it comes to players with a long track record lock them up. You avoid the free agent bs and the player gets a good contract. It's a win for both sides. When the next great Yankee prospect comes up in 10-15 yrs will they wait for him to be a free agent to lock him up. 




Derek Jeter back in 2000 was going to be a lot cheaper of a contract (though it actually


worked out for the most part for both parties), until Arod signed the biggest deal in history, then Yankees had to pay for Jeter more than they would have, Bernie the same thing, Rivera, Pettitte left for Houston, it can go on and on.




Yep you can come up with a ton of examples. Ppl forget Jeter's contract was based off onwhat A-rod signed for. 



You're right though his deal worked out. 




now if they're Free Agents they want?.. Yankees go all out to get them, and make them a priority and don't really do anything else until they get that person, CC, Burnett, Tex, Giambi, Sheffield, etc. etc etc.





Exactly when it's players they want it's nothing but roses and sweet nothings in their ear. This was different from Cano. I think both sides dug in the sand and didn't move. Cano stated early on no discounts and the Yankees stated he's not a miust sign or anything like that. Both sides let emotions get in the business




in the end both are at fault IMO. whatever it is, what it is.. Cashman at least had a much better backup plan than he did at the end of the 2003 season when we lost both Roger and Andy.

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