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6 years ago  ::  Dec 13, 2013 - 8:28AM #41
bomberhojoe
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The Yankees handled his negotiation no different then they did others.  They have procedures they have followed for years with regards to negotiating with players under contract.  Cano wanted to be treated special as compared to other players have.  IMO, the Yankees showed him no disrespect.  They offered him a ridiculous amount of money and he wanted more, which is his right.  Seattle offered more than any other team (Yankees included) were willing to offer and he jumped at it. Cano bad mouthing the Yankees shows a lack of class.  Enjoy jogging to first in Seattle!

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6 years ago  ::  Dec 13, 2013 - 8:34AM #42
nystripes2
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Dec 13, 2013 -- 8:28AM, bomberhojoe wrote:


The Yankees handled his negotiation no different then they did others.  They have procedures they have followed for years with regards to negotiating with players under contract.  Cano wanted to be treated special as compared to other players have.  IMO, the Yankees showed him no disrespect.  They offered him a ridiculous amount of money and he wanted more, which is his right.  Seattle offered more than any other team (Yankees included) were willing to offer and he jumped at it. Cano bad mouthing the Yankees shows a lack of class.  Enjoy jogging to first in Seattle!




Yes, but the Yankees had no budget then, if they are sticking to a 189M plan that they all of a sudden just created out of the blue, dont you think its rather smart to break that policy and try to sign the best player on your team to a long term deal before he hits FA? I mean just look at the contracts being handed out!.. Ellsbury gets almost 160M!.. 

6 years ago  ::  Dec 13, 2013 - 8:37AM #43
doubleplay643
Posts: 6,115

Dec 13, 2013 -- 7:31AM, AceMitchell wrote:


Dec 13, 2013 -- 5:15AM, doubleplay643 wrote:


Respect to others is $$$ ... Respect to me means the team showing interest in wanting you. Making sure they go out of their way to tell you they want you. The Yankees ever since the Cano contract came up said they would discuss a contract with him, even before free agency began, which they don't normally do with their players. 


Of course the Yankees are not going to want to talk to Cano about a 10 year, 300+ mil contract, they probably all fell off their chairs laughing. Girardi did everything to make sure Cano was in the best position he could be to get the most at-bats and be front and center of this Yankee team while chit was going downhill last season. When the Yanks needed Cano to step up, carry the team for a few weeks, he wasn't nowhere to be seen. 


I won't deny his talent but it's the stuff in between his ears that gets in his way at times that holds him back. I do not blame Cano for going for the money, it's his right but don't start making stupid statements of the Yankees not respecting your sorry a$$ because they didn't pay him 10 years, 241 mil. That's just bogus and loses points in my book of him. 


The smear campaign was an easy out for Cano, Jay - Z and CAA when Cano got that contract from the Mariners. They sent out reports saying "Well, we offered the Yanks "options" of 8 , 9 or 10 years. I call bull. They weren't going to take anything less than what the Mariners gave him. How many times have we heard Cano was going to go for the most money possible? A few times actually. Once before the offseason started and a couple more times just before he signed with the Mariners. 


The Yankees were fighting a losing battle before the offseason even began. What did Cano want the Yankees to do? Kiss his butt and tell him what a pretty boy he is? The word respect needs to be revaluated because most players in baseball don't know what that word actually means. 




True Cano could have handled it differently. I think at a certain point he let his emotions get the best of him. The more I think about this the more I feel the relationship between Robbie and the FO hit a rough patch at some point and the break up was inevitable 


I guess like many players Cano wanted to feel wanted. I know it sounds crazy because it's a kid's game but all these guys have egos that need to be stroke. Even before the off season started the Yankees seemed half hearted when it came to Cano. Maybe they knew all along he was gone but it did feel like they were not interested in bringing back. As Stripes mentioned compare that with a player they really want and it's completely different. 




I did feel the Yankees had no chance of signing Cano the way they talked. Unlike with other players where it was a different tone. And this is the type of reaction I felt Cano was going to get too that came along with it. 

6 years ago  ::  Dec 13, 2013 - 8:37AM #44
nystripes2
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Dec 13, 2013 -- 12:34AM, Bats wrote:


Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:16PM, nystripes2 wrote:


Dec 12, 2013 -- 10:15PM, YankeeLoon wrote:

6 minutes ago by nystripes2 whatever im so sick of both parties on this. Cano asked for the moon, and the Yankees barely offered him.any more than Ellsbury, both screwed up " Yea the Yankees were SO cheap!! You're a fool.



overall the offer was not "cheap".. I said its cheap when you factor in they offered Ellsbury not much less. (7/153)




WHAT?


It's called negotiations. 


THEY WERE THE ONES, who came up with 10 years at $310. What were the Yankees to do? Say "duhhhh....how about 10 years at $290? NO....they told Cano, "You're not worth more than David Wright, a middle of the order lineup infielder.....BUT we'll pay you alot more than him" and they did with the 7/153.  That's not respect? Now,...when two parties have two totally different figures operating under the same goal (which was supposed to be Cano wearing pinstripes), they are supposed to find middle ground? Did they? NO, because Jay-Z/Cano was not interested to find middle ground.  Obviously that wasn't Jay-Z's intention.  The funny thing is.....NO baseball team was gonna for it. Then when one did, Cano and Jay-Z hopped on a plane and never looked back. 


Cashman was right, Cano was all about the money, which is fine by me. Just don't blame the Yankees on this.




I said all along cano was at fault too and he was going to the highest bidder, hence why both are at fault.

6 years ago  ::  Dec 13, 2013 - 8:41AM #45
laurenfrances
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Dec 13, 2013 -- 8:28AM, bomberhojoe wrote:


The Yankees handled his negotiation no different then they did others.  They have procedures they have followed for years with regards to negotiating with players under contract.  Cano wanted to be treated special as compared to other players have.  IMO, the Yankees showed him no disrespect.  They offered him a ridiculous amount of money and he wanted more, which is his right.  Seattle offered more than any other team (Yankees included) were willing to offer and he jumped at it. Cano bad mouthing the Yankees shows a lack of class.  Enjoy jogging to first in Seattle!




Here's what got me annoyed...there was no mention of being thankful Yankees gave him an opportunity to play the great game of baseball.  Yankees developed/nurtured him, provided him an avenue enabling him to get this gigantic contract.  


No respect????  I think the lack of respect comes from Cano. We understand he left for mega bucks. With all the coaching and development Yankees provided over the course of his career, show a little bit of gratitude when you exit.  Indeed Cano is classless.  I'm surprise Jay-Z/CAA didn't advise him to thanks the Yankees for years of support.

6 years ago  ::  Dec 13, 2013 - 8:46AM #46
ru4_nyy
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No WA State Income Tax Helps Former New York Yankee Pocket Extra $42 Million









The Seattle Mariners were able to offer former New York Yankees second baseman Robinson Cano $42 million more after-tax dollars to lure him to the American League West because they play in a state with no income tax. 

 

When Cano signs his reported $240 million contract, the Jay Z client's after-tax pay will be worth that much more than what he would have received in New York, according to Robert Raiola, "a certified public accountant who specializes in sports and entertainment."



Raiola told Bloomberg News that Cano top tax rate is 8.97 percent in New Jersey, where he currently resides. Cano intends to relocate to Seattle and become a resident of Washington, which has no state income tax. New York's best offer was about $175 million over seven years, and they would have had to offer him $265 million to match the after-tax pay offered by Seattle.





Had Cano re-signed with the 27-time World Series champions, he would have paid New York State taxes on 45 percent of his Yankees income, Raiola said, adding that he would have received a credit in New Jersey on those taxes.






With the Mariners, Cano will benefit from playing more than 70 percent of his games in jurisdictions that don’t have a state tax, including Texas. Seattle plays in the American League’s Western Division, which includes two Texas teams -- the Texas Rangers and Houston Astros. Washington voters rejected an income tax in 2010. States tax athletes based on days or games played within their borders. For the Mariners, Raiola said he assumed a state tax rate of 7 percent in the locales where athletes are subject to tax.





In Seattle, Cano will have to pay $504,000 annually in various state taxes compared to $2.2 million a year over the life of the contract in New York.





The five-time All-Star’s net pay would be about $12.8 million annually for 10 years with the Mariners, Raiola said. It would be about $12.3 million annually for seven years with the Yankees. That, combined with the extra three years of salary in Seattle, is a difference of about $42 million over the span of the Mariners contract.






The Yankees would have had to pay Cano about $265 million for him to keep the same amount that he will with Seattle, Raiola said.






Cano’s net pay over the life of his Seattle contract is about $128 million, Raiola said. His net pay over the life of the Yankees offer, he said, would have been about $86 million.





6 years ago  ::  Dec 13, 2013 - 8:52AM #47
laurenfrances
Posts: 36,730

Dec 13, 2013 -- 8:46AM, ru4_nyy wrote:






No WA State Income Tax Helps Former New York Yankee Pocket Extra $42 Million









The Seattle Mariners were able to offer former New York Yankees second baseman Robinson Cano $42 million more after-tax dollars to lure him to the American League West because they play in a state with no income tax. 

 

When Cano signs his reported $240 million contract, the Jay Z client's after-tax pay will be worth that much more than what he would have received in New York, according to Robert Raiola, "a certified public accountant who specializes in sports and entertainment."



Raiola told Bloomberg News that Cano top tax rate is 8.97 percent in New Jersey, where he currently resides. Cano intends to relocate to Seattle and become a resident of Washington, which has no state income tax. New York's best offer was about $175 million over seven years, and they would have had to offer him $265 million to match the after-tax pay offered by Seattle.





Had Cano re-signed with the 27-time World Series champions, he would have paid New York State taxes on 45 percent of his Yankees income, Raiola said, adding that he would have received a credit in New Jersey on those taxes.






With the Mariners, Cano will benefit from playing more than 70 percent of his games in jurisdictions that don’t have a state tax, including Texas. Seattle plays in the American League’s Western Division, which includes two Texas teams -- the Texas Rangers and Houston Astros. Washington voters rejected an income tax in 2010. States tax athletes based on days or games played within their borders. For the Mariners, Raiola said he assumed a state tax rate of 7 percent in the locales where athletes are subject to tax.





In Seattle, Cano will have to pay $504,000 annually in various state taxes compared to $2.2 million a year over the life of the contract in New York.





The five-time All-Star’s net pay would be about $12.8 million annually for 10 years with the Mariners, Raiola said. It would be about $12.3 million annually for seven years with the Yankees. That, combined with the extra three years of salary in Seattle, is a difference of about $42 million over the span of the Mariners contract.






The Yankees would have had to pay Cano about $265 million for him to keep the same amount that he will with Seattle, Raiola said.






Cano’s net pay over the life of his Seattle contract is about $128 million, Raiola said. His net pay over the life of the Yankees offer, he said, would have been about $86 million.








Yeah...it's pretty much noticed..lack of State tax provided a 100MM jump in salary offered as compared to Yankees.  That's not the point as Yankees and their fans recognized $$$ is the reason.  What's wrong with thanking Yankees organization for years of support enabling him to have this fabulous career instead of this no respect crap?????   

6 years ago  ::  Dec 13, 2013 - 8:55AM #48
bomberhojoe
Posts: 15,039

Dec 13, 2013 -- 8:34AM, nystripes2 wrote:


Dec 13, 2013 -- 8:28AM, bomberhojoe wrote:


The Yankees handled his negotiation no different then they did others.  They have procedures they have followed for years with regards to negotiating with players under contract.  Cano wanted to be treated special as compared to other players have.  IMO, the Yankees showed him no disrespect.  They offered him a ridiculous amount of money and he wanted more, which is his right.  Seattle offered more than any other team (Yankees included) were willing to offer and he jumped at it. Cano bad mouthing the Yankees shows a lack of class.  Enjoy jogging to first in Seattle!




Yes, but the Yankees had no budget then, if they are sticking to a 189M plan that they all of a sudden just created out of the blue, dont you think its rather smart to break that policy and try to sign the best player on your team to a long term deal before he hits FA? I mean just look at the contracts being handed out!.. Ellsbury gets almost 160M!.. 




Ellsbury got $153M for 7 years, which is high IMO and Cano was offered $175M for 7, which was also high IMO.  Cano was offered $3M+ more per season.  Both players are allstar calibur, I believe $3M per season more is about right when comparing the 2 players.

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6 years ago  ::  Dec 13, 2013 - 9:15AM #49
61in61
Posts: 26,516

I think it has become obvious that Cano just didn't want to be in NY any longer. What we thought was laziness was just the signs of a disgruntled athlete. He took the money and security and bolted for the West coast. No amount of negotiating was going to keep him in NY. Now he doesn't have to worry about being on the street at age 37.

6 years ago  ::  Dec 13, 2013 - 10:20AM #50
JoeGNJ
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Dec 13, 2013 -- 8:34AM, nystripes2 wrote:


Dec 13, 2013 -- 8:28AM, bomberhojoe wrote:


The Yankees handled his negotiation no different then they did others.  They have procedures they have followed for years with regards to negotiating with players under contract.  Cano wanted to be treated special as compared to other players have.  IMO, the Yankees showed him no disrespect.  They offered him a ridiculous amount of money and he wanted more, which is his right.  Seattle offered more than any other team (Yankees included) were willing to offer and he jumped at it. Cano bad mouthing the Yankees shows a lack of class.  Enjoy jogging to first in Seattle!




Yes, but the Yankees had no budget then, if they are sticking to a 189M plan that they all of a sudden just created out of the blue, dont you think its rather smart to break that policy and try to sign the best player on your team to a long term deal before he hits FA? I mean just look at the contracts being handed out!.. Ellsbury gets almost 160M!.. 




Your post implies that the Yankees "budget" (whichis/was really a TARGET) was imposed to prevent signing the Gamer....Thats way way off the mark.  Thast target had NOTHING to do with RC personally. Not a THING. 

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