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Samardzija & Hammel to A's
6 years ago  ::  Jul 05, 2014 - 9:20AM #21
louisiana_lightning
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It was a wise trade for both Beane and Epstein but I think they both will take heat over it.  The Athletics are built to win now and it was logical to give up a top SS prospect for two from of the rotation pitchers, I do think they will be less dominant in the American League West with Hammel reverting to his American League numbers and Samardzija pitching like he has in interleague play.


Theo had to them because they were not winning with them and their value was at it's peak.  All the same the Cubs lost some of their draw and critics are always going to assume he could have gooten more for those two or by waiting til closer to the deadline or dealing them seperate even though it probably isn't true.

6 years ago  ::  Jul 05, 2014 - 9:27AM #22
RobS44
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Jul 4, 2014 -- 11:42PM, davis2 wrote:


I want to puke!!!   When will our GM get us some of that kind of help?




when the Yankees have something other teams might actually want.

6 years ago  ::  Jul 05, 2014 - 9:27AM #23
yankees42
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Thats the one thing I don't understand. Clearly they are in no rush to trade these guys, why not wait a bit closer to the deadline? Take the Yankees situation for a moment....we just lost our **ace**. If we actually had a package to get these guys the cubs could have taken us to the cleaners.

What I'm trying to say is that if they waited another week, they could take advantage of another teams misfortune. Regardless, it's a solid deal for both teams. A's win now, cubs win in the long run.
6 years ago  ::  Jul 05, 2014 - 9:37AM #24
louisiana_lightning
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Jul 5, 2014 -- 9:16AM, yankees42 wrote:

I have to agree. The Cubs get a lot of ****, but I see them being the real deal within the next few years. Granted these prospects could fail.... But unlike the Yankees, the cubbies seem to know what they are doing. Epstein is a smart guy...if only cash could learn a thing or two ;)



Really?  Would that work with the Yankees?


The Yankees have had the top attendance in the American League for the last 12 consecutive seasons.  For the Cubs they are 9th out of 15 NL teams with their worst attendance since 2000.  They are usually about 4th but usually not competitive.  They are half way through Epstein's five year contract and have been in last place for 4 1/2 seasons.  Look at the Mets, They were number one in attendance in their last year in Shea in 2008 and attendance has steadily declined with the team, currently they have the worst attendance in the NL.


How many seasons do you think it would be cost affective or productive to lag in last place and lose fan base for a New York team when the damage done to the fan base outweighs the high draft picks?  With the Cubs they almost revel in failure and make money regardless.  I don't know if the Cubs are building a winner or if Theo's moves will pan out in his tenure but I don't know if a New York team can return strong after mailing it in for years.

6 years ago  ::  Jul 05, 2014 - 9:38AM #25
LiferYank
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Jul 5, 2014 -- 9:27AM, yankees42 wrote:

Thats the one thing I don't understand. Clearly they are in no rush to trade these guys, why not wait a bit closer to the deadline? Take the Yankees situation for a moment....we just lost our **ace**. If we actually had a package to get these guys the cubs could have taken us to the cleaners. What I'm trying to say is that if they waited another week, they could take advantage of another teams misfortune. Regardless, it's a solid deal for both teams. A's win now, cubs win in the long run.




They got max value imo. They were not going to get more then a top 3 propsect that teams #2 prospect a cost controlled pitcher they can try to fix and flip and a PTBL.


Keep in mind the Cubs offered Shark 17 million per a team trading for him knows he wants to hit FA....

6 years ago  ::  Jul 05, 2014 - 9:42AM #26
LiferYank
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Jul 5, 2014 -- 9:37AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Jul 5, 2014 -- 9:16AM, yankees42 wrote:

I have to agree. The Cubs get a lot of ****, but I see them being the real deal within the next few years. Granted these prospects could fail.... But unlike the Yankees, the cubbies seem to know what they are doing. Epstein is a smart guy...if only cash could learn a thing or two ;)



Really?  Would that work with the Yankees?


The Yankees have had the top attendance in the American League for the last 12 consecutive seasons.  For the Cubs they are 9th out of 15 NL teams with their worst attendance since 2000.  They are usually about 4th but usually not competitive.  They are half way through Epstein's five year contract and have been for 4 1/2 seasons.  Look at the Mets, They were number one in attendance in their last year in Shea in 2008 and attendance has steadily declined with the team, currently they have the worst attendance in the NL.


How many seasons do you think it would be cost affective or productive to lag in last place and lose fan base for a New York team when the damage done to the fan base outweighs the high draft pick?  With the Cubs they almost revel in failure and make money regardless.  I don't know if the Cubs are building a winner or if Theo's moves will pan out in his tenure but I don't know if a New York team can return strong after mailing it in for years.





Theo said it would be a 4 year plan and he is what in year 2 1/2?



They already have Rizzo and Castro locked up.


They have Baez, Russel, Bryant,Almora,Soler And Alacanta waiting in the wings with Edwards a pretty damn good pitching prosect. With Vizcaino as a potential closer.



They are stacked. This is not the Phillies or a NY or Boston fan base. They are a loyal and patient bunch and Theo seems to have a plan.

6 years ago  ::  Jul 05, 2014 - 9:50AM #27
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 19,926

Jul 5, 2014 -- 9:42AM, LiferYank wrote:


Jul 5, 2014 -- 9:37AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Jul 5, 2014 -- 9:16AM, yankees42 wrote:

I have to agree. The Cubs get a lot of ****, but I see them being the real deal within the next few years. Granted these prospects could fail.... But unlike the Yankees, the cubbies seem to know what they are doing. Epstein is a smart guy...if only cash could learn a thing or two ;)



Really?  Would that work with the Yankees?


The Yankees have had the top attendance in the American League for the last 12 consecutive seasons.  For the Cubs they are 9th out of 15 NL teams with their worst attendance since 2000.  They are usually about 4th but usually not competitive.  They are half way through Epstein's five year contract and have been for 4 1/2 seasons.  Look at the Mets, They were number one in attendance in their last year in Shea in 2008 and attendance has steadily declined with the team, currently they have the worst attendance in the NL.


How many seasons do you think it would be cost affective or productive to lag in last place and lose fan base for a New York team when the damage done to the fan base outweighs the high draft pick?  With the Cubs they almost revel in failure and make money regardless.  I don't know if the Cubs are building a winner or if Theo's moves will pan out in his tenure but I don't know if a New York team can return strong after mailing it in for years.





Theo said it would be a 4 year plan and he is what in year 2 1/2?



They already have Rizzo and Castro locked up.


They have Baez, Russel, Bryant,Almora,Soler And Alacanta waiting in the wings with Edwards a pretty damn good pitching prosect. With Vizcaino as a potential closer.



They are stacked. This is not the Phillies or a NY or Boston fan base. They are a loyal and patient bunch and Theo seems to have a plan.




That may all be true but could it be done in Philly, NY or Boston and pay off?  Even in the North Side this better be a dynasty that he is building and it better pan out because all the seasons count toward legacy and bottom line, even the rebuilds.

6 years ago  ::  Jul 05, 2014 - 5:00PM #28
Walton
Posts: 2,726

I wonder how much it would cost to get Beane away from the A's? The Yankee's could package CC, Ichiro, Beltran, Tex, and Soriano in the deal. Give them a "hometown discount."

6 years ago  ::  Jul 05, 2014 - 8:22PM #29
FW57Clipper51
Posts: 15,798

Jul 4, 2014 -- 11:38PM, yankees42 wrote:

There goes that option...not that we could put a package together anyways. www.athleticsnation.com/2014/7/4/5871917...




From MLB Rumors



The Yankees exchanged proposals with the Cubs on both Samardzija and Hammel, but could not compete with Russell’s inclusion, tweets FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal.




Cubs GM Theo wanted more than the Yankees GM Cashman could offered him.




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