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4 years ago  ::  Sep 19, 2015 - 9:00AM #11
nc01
Posts: 2,236

Sep 19, 2015 -- 8:57AM, yankeeoldfan wrote:


Sep 19, 2015 -- 8:50AM, nc01 wrote:


Sep 18, 2015 -- 11:28PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Sep 18, 2015 -- 10:23PM, canoera wrote:

Why pull Tanaka with just 82 pitches and a 1 run deficit?

Who do we have in the  BP besides Betances and Miller to hold it close? Shreve and 'Bozos' did the predictable. 

Continue playing Ryan and Drew comedy series. Hal can fill the legend seats with soccer moms to cheer lead.

See a sweep by Mets followed by the Jays. Then the fat lady can pull down the curtains. 



Umm, pinch-hitting for Tanaka is the 7th is a 100% every manager in the world makes that move move.


It's, how can I put this...a no-brainer?


Oh, right.


Never mind.





And not pinch hitting ARod for Ryan in the 6th is a brainer? Yeah right. 100% of every manager EXCEPT Girardi would make that move.


NC...


 




Couldn't put A-Rod in that situation, he had runners in scoring position ?? I understand what Girardi was saying but I still think you need to pinch hit for Ryan in that situation even if they most likely would have walked him, we just don't have the bench to match up with the NL style of play..Joe was worried he'd have to use two players for one move and he didn't want to do that.. Well we can see how that worked out.. Another reason Joe didn't make the move, he wanted to get one more inning out of Tanaka, he has no faith in his BP other than the top three...





Having runners in scoring position is EXACTLY why you pinch hit with ARod. Only an idiot like Girardi wouldn't. And as for Tanaka, he pulled him 1/3 of an inning later.


NC...


 

4 years ago  ::  Sep 19, 2015 - 9:10AM #12
yankeeoldfan
Posts: 12,741

Sep 19, 2015 -- 9:00AM, nc01 wrote:


Sep 19, 2015 -- 8:57AM, yankeeoldfan wrote:


Sep 19, 2015 -- 8:50AM, nc01 wrote:


Sep 18, 2015 -- 11:28PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Sep 18, 2015 -- 10:23PM, canoera wrote:

Why pull Tanaka with just 82 pitches and a 1 run deficit?

Who do we have in the  BP besides Betances and Miller to hold it close? Shreve and 'Bozos' did the predictable. 

Continue playing Ryan and Drew comedy series. Hal can fill the legend seats with soccer moms to cheer lead.

See a sweep by Mets followed by the Jays. Then the fat lady can pull down the curtains. 



Umm, pinch-hitting for Tanaka is the 7th is a 100% every manager in the world makes that move move.


It's, how can I put this...a no-brainer?


Oh, right.


Never mind.





And not pinch hitting ARod for Ryan in the 6th is a brainer? Yeah right. 100% of every manager EXCEPT Girardi would make that move.


NC...


 




Couldn't put A-Rod in that situation, he had runners in scoring position ?? I understand what Girardi was saying but I still think you need to pinch hit for Ryan in that situation even if they most likely would have walked him, we just don't have the bench to match up with the NL style of play..Joe was worried he'd have to use two players for one move and he didn't want to do that.. Well we can see how that worked out.. Another reason Joe didn't make the move, he wanted to get one more inning out of Tanaka, he has no faith in his BP other than the top three...





Having runners in scoring position is EXACTLY why you pinch hit with ARod. Only an idiot like Girardi wouldn't. And as for Tanaka, he pulled him 1/3 of an inning later.


NC...


 




I agree, I was just being sarcastic about the runners in scoring position.. It seems like Joe wants the team to do things they just aren't made to do.. First they believe in the long ball, why, mostly because we have too many hitters that have trouble hitting over their weight for an average.. Getting that rbi single is a tough thing to do, the odds of them hitting a home run are just about as good.. Even some of the worst teams in the league have a higher team batting average than we do.. We don't have on hitter that's even close to hitting .300...

4 years ago  ::  Sep 19, 2015 - 10:48AM #13
canoera
Posts: 868

Sep 18, 2015 -- 11:28PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Sep 18, 2015 -- 10:23PM, canoera wrote:

Why pull Tanaka with just 82 pitches and a 1 run deficit?

Who do we have in the  BP besides Betances and Miller to hold it close? Shreve and 'Bozos' did the predictable. 

Continue playing Ryan and Drew comedy series. Hal can fill the legend seats with soccer moms to cheer lead.

See a sweep by Mets followed by the Jays. Then the fat lady can pull down the curtains. 



Umm, pinch-hitting for Tanaka is the 7th is a 100% every manager in the world makes that move move.


It's, how can I put this...a no-brainer?


Oh, right.


Never mind.




Yeah right. It's a no-brainer if one lives by the binder rather than decide on recent trends and the need of the

4 years ago  ::  Sep 19, 2015 - 11:03AM #14
canoera
Posts: 868

Sep 19, 2015 -- 10:48AM, canoera wrote:


Sep 18, 2015 -- 11:28PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Sep 18, 2015 -- 10:23PM, canoera wrote:

Why pull Tanaka with just 82 pitches and a 1 run deficit?

Who do we have in the  BP besides Betances and Miller to hold it close? Shreve and 'Bozos' did the predictable. 

Continue playing Ryan and Drew comedy series. Hal can fill the legend seats with soccer moms to cheer lead.

See a sweep by Mets followed by the Jays. Then the fat lady can pull down the curtains. 



Umm, pinch-hitting for Tanaka is the 7th is a 100% every manager in the world makes that move move.


It's, how can I put this...a no-brainer?


Oh, right.


Never mind.




Yeah right. It's a no-brainer if one lives exclusively by the binder, but harebrained not to factor recent trends and the need of the moment (keeping game close). There was a better chance of Tanaka getting on base than Ells! And what exactly did Ells accomplish that inning? And, predictably, the pen sure did blow it open for the Mets. Would be understandable if he pinch hit Heathcott or Ackley. How about not pinch hitting Alex for Ryan with the bases loaded as NC has pointed out.


If every fail can be rationalized there can be no accountability. Every manager will be tenured. You can't bestow credit for wins without responsibility for questionable losses. Girardi has lost one too many close games that are questionable.


Tom Coughlin owned up for his bad calls in the choke against the Cowboys. I am sure you would be able to rationalize call, much to the outrage of the depressed fans.






4 years ago  ::  Sep 19, 2015 - 1:00PM #15
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 74,526

4 years ago  ::  Sep 19, 2015 - 1:09PM #16
qwik3457
Posts: 11,615

Sep 19, 2015 -- 8:50AM, nc01 wrote:


Sep 18, 2015 -- 11:28PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Sep 18, 2015 -- 10:23PM, canoera wrote:

Why pull Tanaka with just 82 pitches and a 1 run deficit?

Who do we have in the  BP besides Betances and Miller to hold it close? Shreve and 'Bozos' did the predictable. 

Continue playing Ryan and Drew comedy series. Hal can fill the legend seats with soccer moms to cheer lead.

See a sweep by Mets followed by the Jays. Then the fat lady can pull down the curtains. 



Umm, pinch-hitting for Tanaka is the 7th is a 100% every manager in the world makes that move move.


It's, how can I put this...a no-brainer?


Oh, right.


Never mind.





And not pinch hitting ARod for Ryan in the 6th is a brainer? Yeah right. 100% of every manager EXCEPT Girardi would make that move.


NC...


 



Nah; not really. You PH with A-Rod there, and they pitch around him and walk him. Then you have to pinch hit a lefty vs. Matz, unless you're willing to risk Pirela in that spot. Then if it fails, and remember, pinch-hitters fail 70% of the time, you've pulled your best starter after 58 pitches in a tie game, and turn it over to Shreve an inning earlier.

Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber
4 years ago  ::  Sep 19, 2015 - 1:11PM #17
qwik3457
Posts: 11,615

Sep 19, 2015 -- 10:48AM, canoera wrote:


Sep 18, 2015 -- 11:28PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Sep 18, 2015 -- 10:23PM, canoera wrote:

Why pull Tanaka with just 82 pitches and a 1 run deficit?

Who do we have in the  BP besides Betances and Miller to hold it close? Shreve and 'Bozos' did the predictable. 

Continue playing Ryan and Drew comedy series. Hal can fill the legend seats with soccer moms to cheer lead.

See a sweep by Mets followed by the Jays. Then the fat lady can pull down the curtains. 



Umm, pinch-hitting for Tanaka is the 7th is a 100% every manager in the world makes that move move.


It's, how can I put this...a no-brainer?


Oh, right.


Never mind.




Yeah right. It's a no-brainer if one lives by the binder rather than decide on recent trends and the need of the




No, it's a no-brainer because 100% of NL managers PH in a tie game on the road in the 7th inning for their starter, nearly 100% of the time.

Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber
4 years ago  ::  Sep 19, 2015 - 10:25PM #18
davis2
Posts: 15,822

Sep 19, 2015 -- 8:57AM, yankeeoldfan wrote:


Sep 19, 2015 -- 8:50AM, nc01 wrote:


Sep 18, 2015 -- 11:28PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Sep 18, 2015 -- 10:23PM, canoera wrote:

Why pull Tanaka with just 82 pitches and a 1 run deficit?

Who do we have in the  BP besides Betances and Miller to hold it close? Shreve and 'Bozos' did the predictable. 

Continue playing Ryan and Drew comedy series. Hal can fill the legend seats with soccer moms to cheer lead.

See a sweep by Mets followed by the Jays. Then the fat lady can pull down the curtains. 



Umm, pinch-hitting for Tanaka is the 7th is a 100% every manager in the world makes that move move.


It's, how can I put this...a no-brainer?


Oh, right.


Never mind.





And not pinch hitting ARod for Ryan in the 6th is a brainer? Yeah right. 100% of every manager EXCEPT Girardi would make that move.


NC...


 




Couldn't put A-Rod in that situation, he had runners in scoring position ?? I understand what Girardi was saying but I still think you need to pinch hit for Ryan in that situation even if they most likely would have walked him, we just don't have the bench to match up with the NL style of play..Joe was worried he'd have to use two players for one move and he didn't want to do that.. Well we can see how that worked out.. Another reason Joe didn't make the move, he wanted to get one more inning out of Tanaka, he has no faith in his BP other than the top three...



We have 39 players on the ML roster. How many more do we need to play NL style?

4 years ago  ::  Sep 20, 2015 - 8:42AM #19
nc01
Posts: 2,236

Sep 19, 2015 -- 1:09PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Sep 19, 2015 -- 8:50AM, nc01 wrote:


Sep 18, 2015 -- 11:28PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Sep 18, 2015 -- 10:23PM, canoera wrote:

Why pull Tanaka with just 82 pitches and a 1 run deficit?

Who do we have in the  BP besides Betances and Miller to hold it close? Shreve and 'Bozos' did the predictable. 

Continue playing Ryan and Drew comedy series. Hal can fill the legend seats with soccer moms to cheer lead.

See a sweep by Mets followed by the Jays. Then the fat lady can pull down the curtains. 



Umm, pinch-hitting for Tanaka is the 7th is a 100% every manager in the world makes that move move.


It's, how can I put this...a no-brainer?


Oh, right.


Never mind.





And not pinch hitting ARod for Ryan in the 6th is a brainer? Yeah right. 100% of every manager EXCEPT Girardi would make that move.


NC...


 



Nah; not really. You PH with A-Rod there, and they pitch around him and walk him. Then you have to pinch hit a lefty vs. Matz, unless you're willing to risk Pirela in that spot. Then if it fails, and remember, pinch-hitters fail 70% of the time, you've pulled your best starter after 58 pitches in a tie game, and turn it over to Shreve an inning earlier.





You have an excuse for everything. How do you know if they walk ARod? Are you a mind reader? Fortune teller?


NC...


 

4 years ago  ::  Sep 20, 2015 - 4:51PM #20
qwik3457
Posts: 11,615

Sep 20, 2015 -- 8:42AM, nc01 wrote:


Sep 19, 2015 -- 1:09PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Sep 19, 2015 -- 8:50AM, nc01 wrote:


Sep 18, 2015 -- 11:28PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Sep 18, 2015 -- 10:23PM, canoera wrote:

Why pull Tanaka with just 82 pitches and a 1 run deficit?

Who do we have in the  BP besides Betances and Miller to hold it close? Shreve and 'Bozos' did the predictable. 

Continue playing Ryan and Drew comedy series. Hal can fill the legend seats with soccer moms to cheer lead.

See a sweep by Mets followed by the Jays. Then the fat lady can pull down the curtains. 



Umm, pinch-hitting for Tanaka is the 7th is a 100% every manager in the world makes that move move.


It's, how can I put this...a no-brainer?


Oh, right.


Never mind.





And not pinch hitting ARod for Ryan in the 6th is a brainer? Yeah right. 100% of every manager EXCEPT Girardi would make that move.


NC...


 



Nah; not really. You PH with A-Rod there, and they pitch around him and walk him. Then you have to pinch hit a lefty vs. Matz, unless you're willing to risk Pirela in that spot. Then if it fails, and remember, pinch-hitters fail 70% of the time, you've pulled your best starter after 58 pitches in a tie game, and turn it over to Shreve an inning earlier.





You have an excuse for everything. How do you know if they walk ARod? Are you a mind reader? Fortune teller?


NC...


 



I'm thinking they'd walk A-Rod because Girardi explicitly said that's why they didn't go to A-Rod in that spot; because the Mets could pitch around him. If they don't pitch around A-Rod, that's a foolish risk. Then Joe would have blown his best pinch-hitter for nothing, and he'd either have to PH for Tanaka with a lefty against Matz, or a lesser righty, a Pirela or Refsnyder.


Joe is also trying to get Tanaka through the 6th and 7th, because he knows his lesser relievers have been struggling, and the Mets have been destroying bad pitching, especially bad relief pitching lately. And the 2 run HR Shreve gave up that more or less put the game away shows why. Tanaka then foils the strategy by giving up the 2nd HR, forcing Joe to PH for him in the 7th.


Excuses? No, just three-dimensional managerial strategy.

Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber
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